Dot Spec Cylinders

[Recoil]

Because dual cylinders are made somewhere that manufacturer MUST be able to test/produce bottles to both standards.....

I have had contact with someone who apparently can legitimatley get bottles tested to HSE standards.

Thing is, the question really is if my DOT bottle is tested to HSE standards, can it be filled...

 

[Mark]

Originally posted by Recoil


I have no idea what you are going on about here... The bottle that I own is a DOT bottle. IF I can get it tested to HSE standards with a HSE Mark on it then surely I can use and get the bottle filled.... It doesnt matter where I get it tested as long it is tested.... germany, america wherever....

Reread my first post, the part you quoted was being sacarstic, to translate it for you...DOT can't be tested other than a country where the DOT regs apply so all that can be put on it is a new DOT pass sticker...then having a DOT bottle here means you are breaking a shed load of rules/laws call them what you will.

I agree the "idea" of testing the bottle you own to a higher set of test "should" be fine but your bottle will always be a DOT bottle regardless of any tests due to the sticker built into the bottle. So until the law changes you can't use the bottle.

The Dual Tested bottles have a sticker inbedded into the wall of the bottle stateing both the test passes of DOT and HSE so that particular bottle can be tested under either test BUT !!! if the HSE part is out of date but the DOT part has been retested and passed, you can't use the bottle due to your nationality. The bottles we all use with very few exceptions are all made within a country for whom the DOT level is all that is required to produce them, as the company is making them to a certain standard doesn't mean they are testing them...they give their products to the testing authorites to see if they are "up to spec". if they are then they are allowed to label the said goods with the label of standard that they have attained, most all of your electrical goods are able to be plugged into UK mains but are they made here? nope, but they have the CE mark on the back that allows them to be used in this country, same testing procedures are done for that as well for the bottles we are talking about. if you really think you can get your Dual bottle tested to HSE level but out of the country well find the number of the maker in the states and ring them, not a great deal of point as you can get that tested here.

Please note this is a reply to Recoil so the , you and nationality parts apply only to Recoil or any other British player reading this any Americans reading this (Roo etc) it doesn't apply to you.

 

[Recoil]

my bottle is DOT only so the dual testing doesnt apply....

I spose I am a bit frustrated that my bottle that is DOT only cant be tested to ensure that it is within regulations.... I would have thought that would fairly simple but red tape says that isnt possible

I understand the implications, I understand that its a DOT bottle... but if it passes a HSE test whats the difference? apart from originally it was a bottle built to DOT standards that passes a HSE test not a HSE bottle that passed a HSE test.

ARGH

Ah well, Ill consign it to the cupboard I guess...


PS Mark I wasnt having a go, Im just a bit frustrated with the whole thing

 

[garycarrot]

Why?

When the bottle is retested, why can it not be tested for both?
Thus making it a duel tested bottle, and ok to use everywhere?
Seems silly that new bottles are duel, they must be tested to both standards in the first place! so surley you can duplicate the original test?
Just an idea....

 

[Liz]

Why?

Originally posted by garycarrot
When the bottle is retested, why can it not be tested for both?
Thus making it a duel tested bottle, and ok to use everywhere?
Seems silly that new bottles are duel, they must be tested to both standards in the first place! so surley you can duplicate the original test?
Just an idea....

I'm afraid it's very much a case of "'cause we said so". Many government bodies have the mentality that if they didn't think of it, it must be a cr@p idea; in some cases it even feels like they are going the other way to get back at people for showing them up!
I must admit it makes a change the UK not slavishly following mainland Europe standards, in fact I thought it was against EC rules. The UK's toy manufacture standards were reduced to match those of other EC countries as were many electrical appliance standards, and certain drugs can't be used on horses any more 'cause they class as food animals rather than pets on the continent. But portable compressed air cylinders - that's critical that we keep to our own stanadrd & don't adopt any other!

 

[Billy No Mates]

my only question is to someone techy at smartparts (dunno if there is anyone on the board that that would apply to).

Are the new dual test bottles special, or differant in any way to the old single test bottles. Be they HSE or DOT??

A 1.1 4.5kpsi bottle bought in america is surely EXACTLY the same one as bought in the UK except the test label?!?

You cant tell me that before selling dual test bottles that Smartparts, Air America, or PMI made two differant types of bottles, just cos of UK testing regualtions.

if im right then a sample will be tested to both standards at some point during their life.

THEREFORE (getting to my point) It must be possible to retest DOT bottles somewhere to HSE standard.
Is that not why HSE bottles cos an extra £30 more than a DOT test one? because of the extra test!

Even if they were regarded as untested.

And if the argument is that there is insufficient labeling decribing the intended use of the bottle, then how can new bottles be tested before sale.
This is a big problem in paintball, and there must be someone who can do something about it legally.

anyone??

Billy

(go on own up, have i lost anyone yet?)

 

[garycarrot]

I had this problem a few years ago.
It was explained to me that. When the bottles are made, they are tested to HSE standards, and a guy from the HSE is there to confirm it. So retesting to another standard is not poss. because you can not get the man from HSE to be there, it is not recognized.
You can only test at the factory when made. Once its been done the first time, you retest to the same standards. Thats ok.

On a seperate note, I as a player might come from the U.K. and as such can not fill a DOT bottle, But the guys on the air fill rig, who are filling the bottles, are also English.
How can they fill DOT bottles for a non U.K. player. as its them doing the filling, not the player??????

 

[Mark]

Ok Recoil I understand the frustration (mine too as I have posted the same things as you have albeit with the added knowledge of knowing I was doomed from the rules point of view) and I am frustrated that every time this subject comes up the same arguements are put forward for the DOT bottle getting a test etc...but it can't happen.

Gary Carrot, if the person supplying the air is doing it to a person "entitled" to use DOT within this country as a visiting national then the rules allow it to happen but only for those people, cock eyed I know but allowed, and to short circuit your next senario you can't have the tank that you owned filled by the same person allowed to get it filled and then use it yourself cos your place of birth denies you to use the filled tank within this country.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by Mark
the tank that you owned filled by the same person allowed to get it filled and then use it yourself cos your place of birth denies you to use the filled tank within this country.

OK, what about this then. (for a hypothetical situation)

I'm playing Campaign Cup, guesting for a foreign sponsored team, who are providing me with a marker, I have to buy a new bottle just for the event. Ouch, just got expensive

And in theory, over the chrono range, I'm admiring some marker, but can't put any paint through it, cos it has the wrong bottle.

You know, I really love this country sometime

 

[Adrenochrome]

dot bottles

i tok my dot and hse bottles to my local dive shop to be sent away for testing

the hse was tested and passed, nice shiny sticker and an official lookin stamped piece of paper

the dot bottle also went away, came back as not reqiring full test (cos its only 3 not 5 yrs old) but that it passed visual inspection

this means it was inspected even if only visual and no probs.. im sure the dive shop didnt send it out of the uk so how was that , i will pop in at the weekend and ask where they send them tho they are a bit coy on the subject cos they get comission for sendin in bulk tests