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Okay, by request, a thread in which people can air their opinions on the Amsterdam tourney.
Below you find the post that was supposed to start this thread, originally started by Orange.


(Below is Orange's post)
" u r taking the piss!!
I can't believe what I'm reading about the Dutch Masters, it was the worse (Millenium) Tourny ever!!
Sure all the stuff they could make money on was there, toilets for 0.50 Euro, rolls for 3,00 Euro, loads of discount coupons for the local pizza place and coffee shops, but some of the important things that really matter at a tournement: safety, playing schedules and safe zone was total ****!!!

Who ever put those towers up must be a complete retard, everybody knew the weather forecast: rain and heavy wind for Friday and Saturday, but they left them up, even when the first two nearly crashed on the Smart Parts tent they only secured those two, over one hour later the one on the Angel field tiped over and nearly killed at least 5 people, if it wasn't for the people in the Diablo tent shouting there heads of the US woman taking the pictures would have been dead for sure, only then did they decide to secure the rest of the towers....

Same goes for the safe zone, didn't they check the weather forecast: RAIN AND HEAVY WINDS: HELLOOO WAKE UP AT THE WHEEL!! why the **** did they put the tables out in the open, next to a covered totaly empty hall!!!! they could't of made it more obvious they didn't give a **** about the players!

As for the playing schedule, on Thursday night 21.00 the schedules were finally finished, and the teams who waited for them saw that a lot of them were playing 2 games at the same time, 3 games in a row etc. when questioned about this the answer was: "just try and get to the fields as soon as you can after your games", any idiot could see this wasn't going to work!!
And sure enough, after the first 6 games there already was a delay of 2 hours, and the last games were over at 21.55!!
Same **** the next day, teams standing around for hours in the rain waiting for the other teams to finish games on other fields before they could start the next game, total chaos!
Turns out they had a PA system, which they used to tell people their car was being towed, why the **** didn't they use that to call the teams to the fields and get some organisation in this chaos, all that was needed was for someone to get his ass in gear and call the teams to the fields, as nobody knew what was going on.

As for this computer crash bull****, please come on, don't insult us even more, when the **** did the start making the schedule, when did it "crash" the registration deadline was weeks ago, they've known for weeks who's playing, how come they didn't make the schedule 2 weeks ago, or one week ago, or even 2 days before the event, we've been asking for days to post the teams in this forum, like I said the registration stop was weeks ago, why always wait untill the last minut with the team listings and playing schedules.

Like I said before, everthing that makes them money is always spot on, and never ****s up, but the bare neceseraties for the players: marschalling, air fills, toilets, schedules, safety is always ****ed at these big events, for the kind of cash were paying we should at least get something better that this, the smallest piss woodland tourny is better organised!
Personally I don't give a **** about 10% discount at some pizza place, I would rather they stick there time into organising a smooth running tourny, time has come for the business men to take in some advise from the players, NPPL style, as the Millenium Series is starting to turn into a money making event were the player are seen as stooges who'll turn up anyway.
It has already changed from a BYO series to only sponsors paint, so Teams like Hellwood who'se paint sponsor doesn't sponsor the series had to pull out, the next thing that will happen is the the paint prices will go up, as I'm sure everybody including the promoter lost loads of money again, yep it's a sure money loser to put up an event like this, but hey what do you know, they're going to put another one on next year, they must really love us players........."
 

Al Woods

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Orange said some pretty harsh words

about a tourney that excelled in many areas. Now the boy Orange has some seriously valid points about the outdoor staging area and the badly constructed towers that fell over a few times but I feel, although these are real areas of concern that desperately need to be rectified by next year you still feel compelled to open your eyes to any of the plus points of the tournament. You think you had a bad time?? Read on.

We were booked on a coach that should have delivered us to the site at around 1pm giving us plenty of time to walk the fields to death in order for us to really kick some ass. What time did we arrive?? 6pm. Registration time. We were then told we had 1 hour before our coach driver took us to our hotel. Where was our hotel?? 1 hours drive away. Nice. So after briefly familiarizing ourselves with the venue and rushing to get registered we left the site feeling stoked at how cool the whole thing was but severely pissed at how all our plans went out the window; but there is a saving grace....we were only playing in the afternoon so we could see how the fields played AND have a lie in....WRONG, we had to leave at 5am with the other teams on the coach who were playing in the morning. SHIIIIIT!! Oh yeah, forgot to mention, what was our hotel like?? Well, it was an old folks home. Seriously. AND it was 45km away from Amsterdam centre with absolutely no amenities nearby and our coach driver wouldn't take us there AND we couldn't get a taxi beacause they wanted £150 for 4 people. No Amsterdam visit for us then and no player party. Great.

Anyway, we walk sopme fields and watch some games before our afternoon session which was to start at 3:30pm but we waited untill aroung 5:00 pm by which time the heavens opened and we were piss wet throughout all our games which finished at around 9:20pm, only 4 games mind. So from arriving at at the site at 6:00am, roughly, we arrived back at the hotel at around 10:30pm, long f*kin day.

Next day we have morning session, great we thought, we'll get the sun before it rains in the afternoon right? Wrong again, the rain started in the morning and was sunny in the afternoon. When we finished our games we were wet through and pissed because our heads were that deflated with it all going wrong we lost too many games to make the semis (although we did beat GZ in our last game, which was nice). So no semis the next day hows about we go out into Amsterdam then tonight....£150 taxi, no chance buddy. We'll just stay in our deaths waiting room all night, after we wait over 1 and a half hours for our pizzas to be cooked at the local pizza shop.

This, in a nutshell, was our tournament yet we still came away with plenty positives. The fields were awesome, the entire venue was great and the whole layout was superb with easy access to everything. Now you're entitled to have your own views on things and the tower issue really is worth kicking off about, that can't happen again ANYWHERE but to come away from a tournament without any plus points or learning anything makes you come across seriously negative dude.

Can you say that your experience was as bad as ours?? I just wanna know man, there must be more to it than the what you highlighted.
 

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You think thats bad. We stayed in a Hotel where the owner had died and was buried on thursday before the tourney. We arrived at the hotel friday evening, having spent thursday evening in another hotel due to the funeral and they put two of our players into a twin room by the main entrance - the relevance of this will be made clear. The room contained lots of flowers, cards, a suit, with shoes and tie and a funny sort of dead smell. Yes it was the room they laid the poor guy out in before burying him the previous day !

The hotel cleaned the room out and the two guys stayed the night in the room. One of them said he checked under the bed before going to sleep.

Wont mention the hotel name out of respect for the poor guy who died.
 
Millennium Series Rules...

...as a complete novice in these matters I wonder if someone could please clarify this years Millennium series rules for me regarding players who registered for one team suddenly turning up and playing for another team?

...and no I wasn't there before anyone gets on their high horse and starts hurling unpleasantries in my direction...but I have just had a most intriguing conversation with a very good friend of mine who was, which is what prompted me to ask the question...
 

Orange

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@Al: sounds like a nightmare spin!
Yes I was pissed off when i wrote my mail, and still am, this should have been one of the greatest events ever and it turned out not to be as the organisers cut corners (again).
Like I've said before I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, if I pay $ 25 entry fee for a BYO tourny, I'd expect the standard to be not perfect, put paying $ 1000 entry fee I'm expecting at least a decent playing schedule, dry player zone, good air station, loads of toilets and decent safty, and sadly in Amsterdam apart from the Air, which was killer, and the $ 0.50 toilets, these weren't met.
I mean they didn't even have a scoreboard for christsake!! then after loads of complaints they had a laptop with projector for the second day and finals.
How dumm is that, they just told everybody the whole **** up is was because of a computer crash and then they decide to do the scored not on a board, no on a computer, haven't they learnt anything from Skyball last year?
Personally I really think there should be more players involved with the Millenium Series, not just business men, look at the Joy Masters organised by Magued and Joy, killer organisation, totally focused on the players, shame they aren't all like that....


PS: I know i've already posted some of this stuff, but I think a lot of people haven;t read it as they moved the thread.
 

Al Woods

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Hatts: apparently you CAN change teams but only once throughout the years series' (I think). You can't keep swapping time and time again. One change over then one back to your registered team.

Mark H: wooooo, that would freak me right out dude, no way on this earth would I be nice and cosy in a room of death.

Sounds like a recurring theme here, good tourney, **** accomodation and location.
 

Joern Windler

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Millennium Series Rules...

Originally posted by Hatts
...as a complete novice in these matters I wonder if someone could please clarify this years Millennium series rules for me regarding players who registered for one team suddenly turning up and playing for another team?
Hmm heard something like someone who played for joy division started in amsterdam for overdose, izit?
Thats called "external transfer" and its okay as long he stays for this season with overdose...

if not ...



greetinx
joern
 

Liz

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I think Hatts was referring more to a guy playing for one team (that he's registered with) in the prelims then turning out for a different team in the semis the next day!
 

Mr Big

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Not sure, but I really don't think that's allowed. We got caught for it a couple of years ago at the Birmingham Indoor when I played with Lightning. We were having a bad semi finals so Sam Keats offered to play with us (Banzais having bombed or something). Unfortunately he was still wearing his Banzai kit and got pulled off the field. Then I got shot in the back by my own player which left the team without its two best players, and everything fell apart from there.

Moral of the story - if you try and sneak a pro into your team mid tournament, at least give him a fake beard or something.