Death Penalty

[garycarrot]

I am for the death sentance, and as it's my job to look after those convicted by the U.K. court's, I have a better than most idea of who we are talking about.

If you can prove it, and then prove it again at an appeal, I say lets go ahead and remove the convicted from the system.

But to me its the wrong question.

What you need to ask is, are we ready to carry this out, and then find that we were wrong. Will our society deal with the mistakes??? Because there will be some poor sod who is convicted, than executed who was not guilty.

I also feel that when given 5 years to serve, they should bloody well serve 5..... and not get out early.(Thinking about my pension here.)

 

[JoseDominguez]

From a U.K perspective......... our legal system is a bunch of toss. Currently got one murderer, convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt who looks like he'll get off on appeal...... "suspect DNA evidence" again it's all crap, the system doesn't work. You can't convict someone and be "sure of it" at all...... all you can do is convince what is essentially any 12 people of the street that you are right and everything is sorted. Evidence etc.... doesn't matter, it's who interprets that evidence to their best advantage. Simply put it's not the proof of guilt that's important, it's the most convincing suit.
As for the DNA thing......... doesn't matter, there have been a number of cases where DNA evidence was ignored after the defence did a number on the jury........ as for the accuracy. how do you know that? you'd take that bias into a courtroom and would probably rely on it utterly...... but how do you know it's that accurate?
I've got a Biomed degree and I teach biology, I understand it pretty well, but most people don't, they hear "DNA evidence" and that's that. Then look at the O.J trial....... the defence delivered a lecture on Electrophoresis/genetic fingerprint/PCR etc... which was gibberish to most of the jury..... but it cast enough doubt for them to ignore it, convinced them it was open to interpretation.
It worked, he got off.

 

[Mario]

Death penalty for serious crimes e.g:

rape - male or female
child molestation
drug selling to minors
murder

etc

People who do crimes of this sort dont deserve to live. They've ruined anothers life so they dont deserve theirs.
Also i think that these crimes should be exempt from appeal. if a jury have convicted them then that should be it. However the CCS should provide evidence that is near enough absolute. DNA evidence alone is not enough, EWT (eye witness testimony) is needed, video etc etc. in other words a complete evidence case should be presented. And before its presented to the jury it should be checked by an independent panel.

however we dont live in a perfect world so its unlikely that any of my ideas could be used. So i couldn't support the death penalty. However life incarceration without parole would be enough for me

 

[shamu]

I think the death sentence is a little harsh for minor offenses like playing on or wiping. However, I would be in favor of it for more severe offenses, like ramping velocity or fixing games.

 

[sykesg]

Originally posted by Mario
Death penalty for serious crimes e.g:

rape - male or female
child molestation
drug selling to minors
murder

etc

People who do crimes of this sort dont deserve to live. They've ruined anothers life so they dont deserve theirs.
Also i think that these crimes should be exempt from appeal. if a jury have convicted them then that should be it. However the CCS should provide evidence that is near enough absolute. DNA evidence alone is not enough, EWT (eye witness testimony) is needed, video etc etc. in other words a complete evidence case should be presented. And before its presented to the jury it should be checked by an independent panel.

however we dont live in a perfect world so its unlikely that any of my ideas could be used. So i couldn't support the death penalty. However life incarceration without parole would be enough for me

agreed! as long as there was 100% guilty verdict returned from the jury so there is no doubt about guilt

 

[L J]

im for the death penalty. but ONLY if it is 100% no doubt that this person did somethign very very bad, ie rape, murder etc.

i also think they should introduce those brat camp things (like on tv tonight) definetly a good idea!!!
anyone notice how all the childrens parents are well off? to me that just says the parents couldnt be bothered to raise them, i know my parents were like that, working 8-8 jobs so they can have lots of money, but no time to spend it or raise children


just my thoughts btw no one elses


something more harsh should be done to the bad chav types, and the chav boy racers. a large percentage of them cant drive properly, and if they get in a 'race' (using the term race lightly!!!) all safety goes out the window and all that matters is winning. i think hydraulic forks in the rear bumper should be allowed

 

[SiXplicit]

Can I just ask........

Let me just start by answering the question at hand. Death Penalty - For or Against.

I'm with the whole only if its 100% that the person is guilty of the serious crime thing, just like most people have been saying. After reading through, I pretty much agree with what everyone has already put, therefore no need to repeat it once again!!!

Secondly, Ruthless, please don't take this as a dig or anything like that, it certainly isn't meant as one, but I'd just like to ask, what brought all this up? Why did you decide to post such a topic? I'm just curious as to why you felt like discussing the death penalty! Fair enough, it's made a conversation, but is there a particular reason behind this thread?

 

[ruthlessp8ntballer]

Can I just ask........

Originally posted by Barbie@AFGM

Secondly, Ruthless, please don't take this as a dig or anything like that, it certainly isn't meant as one, but I'd just like to ask, what brought all this up? Why did you decide to post such a topic? I'm just curious as to why you felt like discussing the death penalty! Fair enough, it's made a conversation, but is there a particular reason behind this thread?

First, I'd like to thank everyone that donated a few of their braincells to this thread, very kind of you.

Secondly, Barbie, I've always wondered what others thought of certain laws/events/etc. There's been a huge case up near where I live (about 1 hour outside of New York, USA) about some serial killer, who admitted to killing some 8 or nine people; and has been postponing his death; of which he was convicted over 15 years ago. I mean, why? He's exhausted the attempts at appeal, and his newest appointed lawyer even said in public that there was nothing more to attempt to overturn. Plus, last year in the southern states of the US, some 25 odd people were put on death row, and executed, only to be proven innocent after their death. This topic has been very open to debate, and I realize this is a primarily UK based forum, so Its good to see what others in the world think, because your mind wont work when its closed to new perspectives.

Now, I hope someone can come in here, or someone who has already posted can play devils' advocate. Anyone care to take that part? (please mention if this is your true feeling or not)

Please keep posting about the topic on hand; but by all means consider this also...why is the death-penalty still in effect? Reasons? Do you believe there are any good times when rehabilitation of criminals works? When? Keep this thread going, and donate some more thoughts!

As for this thread "setting a precedent" I see it no different than the first thread posted on p8nt. Remember, TFP sanctioned this thread from being closed, and starting to hand out bans. So, keep that in perspective...or dont, it really doesnt matter.

Thanks for all your ideas, and thoughts!

 

[SiXplicit]

Ah, I see!

So, Ruthless, since this lawyer said there's nothing more can be done, what decisions have been made? Is the penalty still continuing to be postponed or is the b***ard gonna get his comeuppance? (SP?).

For someone like that, someone who has admitted to the murders, wipe him/her off the face of the planet & burn every record of their life. Obviously, we have to dictate here in what sense we are using the word "murder". I'm talking cold blooded killers. The sort that murder their husbands/wives & regrettably even their kids in some cases. Those usually end in the perpetrator blowing his/her own head off after killing their families but those that didn't should have!

For those 25 or so people that were executed & then found innocent, that's the major flaw in the system. But assuming they all pleaded their innocence until their last seconds, maybe there should be an alternative for those types. Was the evidence given against these people 100% conclusive? Obviously not if they were then found innocent afterwards. Lock them away from society, in a room where all they see day after day, is a tray with some food & water slid under the door. That's gonna be bad enough for them. A year of that & see how crazy people go! They'd wish they had taken the death penalty. But keep investigations going (I'm assuming those that were wrongly sentenced & killed had ongoing investigations even after their deaths) & only when there is 100% conclusive evidence, 1 way or the other, that's when you dish out the death penalty.

It's bad when innocents go down, it's not exactly great when the guilty get it. But in my opinion they deserve it. Human rights & all that yada yada yada. I wonder what they would say if it was members of their families that got murdered.

What you've got to look at is how many sentences are carried out each year against how many are found innocent afterwards. And then try & work out why the sentence is imposed. To deter others from following the same path, to show what will happen to them if they commit murder & get caught? Or is it more of a vengeance thing? The good citizens ridding the world of murderers by having them executed?

At the moment, as you've said, innocents are being killed, but that's a flaw in the system that will be around for a long time, until forensics & science take the next step forward & procedures are put in place to stop such a thing from happening. Is the "Death Penalty" under scrutiny at the moment? I don't know, but if not, the flaw is there & innocents will continue to die.

I'm done!

 

[Crazy]

Originally posted by shamu
I think the death sentence is a little harsh for minor offenses like playing on or wiping. However, I would be in favor of it for more severe offenses, like ramping velocity or fixing games.

Thankyou for lightening up a serious thread. Classic

I'm for the death penalty as I believe you do to others as you would want them to do to you.

That's why I would like all convicted rapers put in a "special" prison and get gang raped every damn day.

Murderers get the needle or chair.

And I'm sure drug pushers have a special place in hell all for them.

There is no death penalty in Australia but they can put you places where you would wish you were dead.