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dr.strangelove

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Not sure how an angel, or any other marker for that matter, isn't "user serviceable". I guess if you're too stupid to operate allen keys and unscrew threaded parts, or to open up a tube of oil or grease then it's certainly not user serviceable, but then what marker is? Turning a knob to open up the breach for access to the bolt, unscrewing the barrel, unscrewing the grip frame, unscrewing the ram and unscrewing the LPR is pretty much the extent of the difficulty of servicing an angel. And unlike the Ion, it isn't a big problem anyway, because you're not having to take the marker down to it's bare essentials all that often. A full overhaul once a season (full stripdown, relube and reassembly) and a few drops of oil in the ASA or macro line every two or three cases should do very nicely. Excruciating work, eh? :rolleyes: Setting all that aside, here's the deal: Ions are cheap for a reason. Just like Kia automobiles are cheap for a reason. Kia's are fine cars if you're a daily commuter who doesn't do a lot of power driving. It functions virtually identically to a Lamborghini, same basic design principles. But drive the Kia, then the Lamborghini, and tell me which is the better car. The Kia will get you around the city equally as well, but if you're the type of person who appreciates good build quality, lots of power and control, and if you have the money, the Lamborghini may be more up your alley. Paintball markers are no different. The Ion is produced with less expensive components and in higher numbers than more expensive markers, that's how Smart Parts is able to offer it for only $250. The expense of that to the user is a marker that has been quickly thrown together with lousier components, which would be alright if the marker came with a rock solid warranty and good customer service, but it doesn't. Which is well and good if you accept that fact going in and don't expect a $1500-quality marker (that Smart Parts advertises) for $250, because you aren't going to get it, anymore than you're going to get a $250,000-quality car for $15,000. Buy a used marker of higher quality. Angels from the IR3 and up are very good (my A4 with two volumizers and a bottomline weighs 2.4 pounds. If you tire after a day of carrying that around, you're a wuss, go play something more appropriate. Your hopper full of paintballs weighs twice that much anyway), and their resale value is horrible. Not good if you bought a new angel, very good if you're buying a used Angel. Same with electro-cockers (which, regardless of the hype, aren't nearly as perplexing as people make them out to be. They don't require any more expertise to own than the Ion).
 

sophos9

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Cool, thanks for all the replies... This forum is well alive and kicking!!

Ok, just a few more questions on Angels.....


  1. How much do IR3's, A4's and speeds, on average sell second hand for?
    What hopper would I need to ensure a good flow of balls?
    The gun must run compressed air, do they usually come scond hand with n2 tanks?
    I'm not not concerned with weight or complexity but it must be accurate, would any of the above need a barrell change?
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    And for the ION

    1. How much do IONS on average sell second hand for?
      What hopper would I need to ensure a good flow of balls?
      The gun must run compressed air, do they usually come scond hand with n2 tanks?
      I'm not not concerned with weight or complexity but it must be accurate, what mods would need to be carried out?
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      Thanks loads again.... :)
 

KitsuneAndy

Platinum Member
Originally posted by sophos9
Cool, thanks for all the replies... This forum is well alive and kicking!!

Ok, just a few more questions on Angels.....


  1. How much do IR3's, A4's and speeds, on average sell second hand for?
    What hopper would I need to ensure a good flow of balls?
    The gun must run compressed air, do they usually come scond hand with n2 tanks?
    I'm not not concerned with weight or complexity but it must be accurate, would any of the above need a barrell change?
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  1. I got an Angel IR3 with an Angel AIR system for £200. Running it with an Eggy 2 and it runs pretty smoothly. And yes, compressed air, cant run an angel on Co2.

    It is fairly accurate but I am considering upgrading to a pipe kit barrel.
 

sophos9

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Oct 2, 2005
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Is that Andy from Foxwood?

Saw you on Saturday, I was in Delta and Tortoise Licker was marshalling!! Good day apart from going through 6 guns and about 200 chopped balls!! No problem tho.. haha!!

Cheers for the info! £200 sounds great to me!
 

KitsuneAndy

Platinum Member
Originally posted by sophos9
Is that Andy from Foxwood?

Saw you on Saturday, I was in Delta and Tortoise Licker was marshalling!! Good day apart from going through 6 guns and about 200 chopped balls!! No problem tho.. haha!!

Cheers for the info! £200 sounds great to me!
Yup thats me.

I bet you had orange paint, that stuff was chopping all over the place :\
 

KitsuneAndy

Platinum Member
The skirmish paint was fine, as was the green sterling, but the orange sterling was useless. We all had problems with it, the boss is making sure he doesn't order any more of that in. Thing is, it was fine on the friday, but the friday was dry. So maybe the orange paint just reacted badly to humidity in the air. *shrug*

The IR3's pretty heavy, but it's well built and even if you dont want to service it yourself you can get it done pretty cheaply. Mines just on it's way back from LPS now. Was a bit of a mess, guy who had it before me obviously hadnt done any maintenance, but they got it all running nicely again and it hardly cost anything.