Campaign registration

[Liz]

I think some of you are getting the wrong idea about the purpose of the players passes. Last year, the passes were all about security at the one event, but this year it's a Millennium thing mainly to do with teams that are playing more than one leg of the series.

There have been complaints in the past about people playing for different teams at different levels over the series - in theory a novice team could be made up almost completely with "guests" from a pro team that isn't playing that particular event in the series etc. With the pases and the "transfer" system, the chances of this is reduced. Another reason why people have to submit their passes at the start of an event & not get them returned until the end is for when there are disciplinary issues.

Now I agree that the current system isn't perfect yet, but the logistics of getting it "right" are huge. You have the point I make above about keepng passes for potential disciplinary reasons, but then you get the problem of someone playing for more than 1 team at the same event which can't really be stopped unless the marshalls check the passes of every player onto the field to see which team they are registered with etc. But this IS a step in the right direction & I'm pretty sure it's going to get better next year.

So please, remember the bigger picture here. For many of us Campaign Cup was a one-off type of event, but for others it was one leg in a long series and to be blunt the organisers have to consider the needs of the series as a whole before those of the "casual" teams that only do their local leg.

Sorry if this is a bit muddled - I've been holding off the flu all weekend so I could play & it's finally hit me today so my brain isn't working!

 

[supair]

few fair points liz, but u gotta admit that was just a money spinner at campaign. the last leg of the series too so theyll never be used again. I was quite happy with my campaign pass last year, which was free and much more usefull. We were checked for player passes last year every time we went into the players area, carpark etc. They were used rather than just being for souvenir purposes.
Ive said it before and ill say it again, this sport is completly industry based, a few people are making A LOT of money out of it, and it will NEVER become a mainstream sport until that is changed and it becomes player based.
And if i was one of you guys who hadnt recieved your passes, id be onto niall squires like a bad smell until i got my money back, who wants the useless good for nothing pass now?
absolute disgrace.
(if you couldnt tell im not a fan of these passes.)
Matt

 

[Orange]

The biggest rip off is the "re-issue" if you forget your pass you had made at an earlier Millennium event you had to pay £10 for a re-issue, however you didn't need a new photo or give them any details as it was all still in the computer.
So they know who you are and what you look like, but still want an extra £10 just because you forgot your pass, that, let's face it, doesn't get used the whole tournament.
This whole pass thing was just one piss taking rip off!!!!

 

[Gislo]

"And if i was one of you guys who hadnt recieved your passes, id be onto niall squires like a bad smell until i got my money back, who wants the useless good for nothing pass now?" - Supair

Hm - Iam confused. Can´t the cards be used next year - must one buy a new one for the year 2003? If so - why is this?

And in respons to "Orange" - if there were no fee for forgetting your card I think the whole idea with a card would get lost. I would have to think that the fee is a simple "reminder" that people should bring their cards to every tournament - OR they pay the fee?
Otherwise alot of people might turn up not having their cards with them - and that would ruin the basics of the idea with an ID yes?

 

[supair]

as far as i knew/was told you need a new card for the next series. And gislo, my point is that you could have turned up to campaign and played without having/buying a card, so the problem lies therein.

 

[TrogMan]

Originally posted by supair
as far as i knew/was told you need a new card for the next series. And gislo, my point is that you could have turned up to campaign and played without having/buying a card, so the problem lies therein.

Totally agree with that. Campaign last year - the security both on and off field was supurb. I think someone else has alreasy posted - by the end of Saturday the stagin area had loads of people wondering around not wearing paintball kit, now in fairness some of these could be players that have got changed - but what about all the kids?

Last year, they had security on the door at either end, doing random spot checks on players, and all the people not carrying / wearing pball kit that I saw. Likewise walking on the fields all players seemed to be checked by the chrono marshalls.

This year anyone could have easily changed an entire team after registration if they so desired!
Now I think the ID passes are a good idea but useless unless carried by the player. All the players details should have been stored after the passes were made so what is the need for holding on to the passes?

 

[Gislo]

Originally posted by supair
as far as i knew/was told you need a new card for the next series. And gislo, my point is that you could have turned up to campaign and played without having/buying a card, so the problem lies therein.

Then THAT pisses me off if you´re gonna have to buy a new one for next year - wtf is that all about. No way.
And yes, I know what your point was - as I´ve pointed out the same myself.

 

[Recoil]

Im fairly sure that with todays technology and sponsorship they could have provided a printed pass when you signed up or within an hour or two and a lanyard (but then who hasnt got a load of these anyway ) to hang it from.... then have people check em on the doors, sounds like the security thing was done before why not this year? I personally was very wary of leaving my kit unatteneded between games

 

[TrogMan]

Before someone pulls me off my high horse i'll get down gently myself!

We get this after every major event, and its all too easy to critisize! So a little disclaimer about my previous (and probably everyone elses!)

Niall and all involved,

I would like to say that as far as Im concerned the whole event was a major success. I really enjoyed myself (including losing every game ). I understand that alot of effort has gone in to the organisation and congratulations to one and all for pulling off another world class event that the sport should be proud of.

BUT - this is a public forum, where organisers get to learn alot about what the punters thought, it's not just a find something little to moan about!

 

[jeff]

Millenium Series I.D cards...

Right. Here we go.

For those who don't quite understand what the cards are all about.

1. The idea of the cards is to keep track of players movements within teams etc. It enables the organisers to monitor individuals that play the Millenium Series. Their use also applies to the teams that marshall in the series. They have to present the cards at the events so that we can establish wether the players marshalling are on the playing roster for that team.

e.g. If a player was found to have commited an offence which resulted in a ban from the next event or the rest of the series, we would not return his card. As you have to register for each event by showing your cards he would not be able to play..........or........if a marshall team was found to have only 2 rostered team members judging then that team would not receive their marshalling points.

2. The cost of the cards is a SUBSCIPTION FEE FOR THE WHOLE SERIES, payable to the Millenium Series. The revenue is used to continuallly improve the Series who in turn help the promoters stage the events. It does not go into the promoters back pocket!!!

3. You only have to pay once for the season. If you only chose to play one event then yes you might say that it is a little expensive. If you play the entire series, then I think you will agree that it is good value
when you consider the logistics involved. Having to pay for a replacement card is exactly the same as having to pay for a replacement Driving Licence etc. These things do cost money!!!

4. To those of you that have not received your cards from other events I can only apologise on behalf of the Millennium Series. At Campaign we had to deal with and rectify the problems created elsewhere. Somewhere along the line things weren't done or done badly. The situation will be looked at and measures will be taken to make sure that the system is fair and working properly for the 2003 season.

Lastly, it only takes 27 seconds to print a card but only when your not having to deal with a backlog of about 800 cards!!!

Hope everyone had a great time and thanks to all the teams who made the event a success.


See you all next year.

Jeff