Bonus Balls?

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by matski
As for bonus balling, its completely necessary in many situations, many players will stretch the grey area as far as they can and thats just part of playing the game hard. If the risk dosnt pay off and they play on, they can expect multiple hits to 'remind' them to self check, simple.

Pulled this outta another thread and started this to avoid thread-jacking. (I've reformed, see?)

The above situation isn't bonus ballin' by my definition. Bonus balls around here come a visiting after it's clear you're out of the game and leaving the field. Lots of players and teams deliver a good extra welting routinely--now that's bonus ballin'
Happens all the time.

So what is and isn't bonus ballin' and should anyone really worry about it?

 

[Matski]

Somebody grab a rule book, does it state what a bonus ball actually is?

I wrote the above because imo, bonus balling is anytime you can clearly see a player has been hit, but decide to continue shooting him until he raises his arm....and you begin breaking the rules (shooting dead players).
Im not some sadistic freak, from experience I find it necessary to shoot players until they raise their arm and become offically eliminated, otherwise you end up getting lit by dead players extending run throughs or spinning..

Cruel, but necessary due to the way many players play and the game has developed, I expect the same treatment.

 

[Philip]

Yup, im with you on this one, if i get to mug someone(doesn't happen often) and i hit them, i'd expect their marker to be put in the air immediatly or they will feel another. Ok, so it shouldn't work like this, but if im mugged i dont bother checking to see if it bounced or not, cos either way they are gonna come out on top.

 

[le-pig]

yup,if you don't raise your arm,you have to expect some extra lovin

 

[D6]

You're always best making sure it's not a DMW...

 

[headrock6]

Bonus Balling and hitting someone your not sure is out is 2 different things

Matski-Ill have to disagree with ya on that..Theres clearly a difference between making sure a players out of a game(his fault if he doesnt want to raise his hand which the rules clearly state and getting hit a few more times)and hitting someone with an extra 20 balls in the back as he's clearly leaving the field for your own enjoyment..And believe me,its quite obvious when its happening..Actually,its tantamount to unloading on someone whos standing next to you on an air fill line doing absolutley nothing..You wouldnt do it there so I see no reason why it should be tolerated on the field..Its happened to me before and I assure u the outcome wasnt pretty...


The easiest way to avoid this is to just eliminate dead man walks..Then you could easily penalize players for overshooting as the only reason a player would be walking in the open would be to leave the field...

 

[paintballer ron]

I learned at the Mardi Gras Open that if you are playing against a tourney player (i say this because rec ballers will often call themselves out immediately and without even checking if it bounced) and you shoot him and he doesnt raise his gun right away, he is probably gonna shoot atleast once. So, IMO if they don't right away raise their gun they are playing on and need to be shot until the raise their gun. I do not agree with the way that whoever it was on Doc's Raiders shot me like 8 times after my gun was up all the way and I was walking off the field, and no I did not pass through a firefight with them and another member of my team.

 

[Sean Diamond]

Personnaly i shoot until i know they're eliminated, if we were to shoot one shot and it were to bounce then i'm sure they wouldn't walk out, they'd light you up. So by firing about 5-6 balls into them you eliminate the risk that you will a) miss or b) it will bounce ensuring a elimination. Perhaps this is just me being a relatively new player and not as skillful as some of you hardened pro's, but it works and usually they have had a laugh with me after and kindly returned the favour next game.

 

[DOA Robbo]

Perhaps it should be down to the refs to get in on the action and actually make some calls !

There r lots of people Who cheat and more that like to pretend they Don't !!

Rather than looking at Bonus ballin Y not think about if playin on or wipin hits is right cos if people could play the game fair then it really would b an issue.

Puttin Multiple(excessive) hits on a player in a mug etc isn't that called over aggressive play ?

 

[Tyger]

For the sake of argument, I heded over the www.nppl.tv and looked up the rules.

There are none.

Well, that's not true. It's filed under "Extreme Unsportsmanline Conduct" (14.0), and even there it's vague. You can get a 1 game suspension to a 1 year suspension for, as they put it, "Over shooting another player with intent to injure" And that's it.

Meaning that I can torch a guy, as long as my intent is NOT TO INJURE HIM, with impunity. "Dude! I shot him 40 times in the goggles!" And there's no definiton of the "Bonus Ball" It's an unenforcable rule, because it's judges discression. Then aghain, just under it, if oyu threaten a ref you can get he same. And we ALL know that the angellic paintball players NEVER swear or threaten refs with bodily harm!

For comparison, I checked the X-Ball rules as well. (www.xballpaintball.com) They have a penalty for Excessive shooting (10.3.5.5). But, again, there's no "Defined" overshooting. Just a rule stating not to do it. No numerical value, just "Don't shoot dead guys."

Ok, let's go check PSP's rulebook... http://www.nppl.com (forwards you somewhere else... but...) After doign a bit of wizzardry to get the rulebook, they HAVE NO OVERSHOOT RULES at all! Unline Supah-7's book, PSP's has no "tacked on" rule about overshooting. Tye talk about "Aggressive contact" with anothe rplayer, but no rule even MENTIONING overshooting. Now they DO talk about playing on after hit, but nothing baout overshooting.

So, the basic message is there is no such thing as overshooting, and what COULD be overshooting is up to the judges discression. So if hte judge doesn't like oyu, it's not likely you'll get the call.

solution : "Any player with "X" ammount of paint hits on them will be considered overshopt, and the opposing team will be penalised" Put a number on it. I hear every tourney guy scream "BS", but until it's on paper it's not real. And if overshooting is a problem, you need to make the rules SIMPLE and CONCRETE and, most of all, BLACK AND WHITE.

-Tyger

PS : Why does every tourney sereis have thier rules as PDF files? It sucks! You can't cut and paste to quote the rules....