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[Baca Loco]

Re: Travel the world but I guess you can't take the red outta the neck

Originally posted by Wadidiz
And if I'm Aqualung you're Crosseyed Mary, or is it Locomotive Breath? Certainly not the Teacher

Steve

Actually I was going for 'Living in the Past.'

 

[Booya39]

Paul? .... Alders?

I knew Baca was pro-strange (opposite of anti-strange) but is that/are you biker paul???

 

[Intheno]

here's an opinion for you....

it is a total capitulation by the PSP.
At a time when the NPPL are giving the players more and more - the top rock band in the US, more pro teams and big name players, nationwide TV coverage, thousands of spectators sitting comfortably in big-ass grandstands entertained by pro comentators and UK DJ's - the PSP has gone 'back to the woods'
I just can't see how ANY loyal PSP supporter can possibly see this as a good step, and not a giant leap into the past.

The NPPL's corresponding 3rd event is in Denver as part of the famous 'Warped Tour' with live bands and thousands of ready made spectators of the exact age group paintball appeals to.
Who is trying harder here to make this game of ours a fully fledged, respected, and televised Extreme Sport- thats what you have to ask yourselves.
I know where I will be spending the cash I work hard to earn...

hows that for you Baca?

 

[Baca Loco]

How are both leagues doing?

Originally posted by Fabio421
1--The devil is in the details. The PSP is missing a lot of those details. Customer service is far superior in the NPPL. The Orlando Open was a big fat dissapointment for me. I'm sure I may have felt different if I were playing X-ball.
2--Unfortunately I was playing 10 man. I felt that the reffing on the 10 man fields was less than desireable and the field layout was unimaginative.
3--There weren't even any porta potties over on the 10 man side of the event.
4--Compared to an event held two years ago it would have been an A+. But the bar has been raised and the NPPL seem to be pushing it even higher. PSP seem to do what they have to so that they don't fall behind. NPPL venues aren't as flashy (barring HB) but they spend the extra money and time taking care of the customers. I'm not trying to be a complainer, just giving my opinion.

1--right now the PSP simply doesn't have the organization the NPPL has. I also think the NPPL has a more unified vision of just what they want and how they're gonna achieve it.
2--there was 10-man at Orlando?
3--c'mon, either you kept walking to the indoor facilities by the stadium or when you came back to your staging area--they were right there. Exercise is good for ya.
4--I also think the NPPL promote the heck outta themselves. Does anyone remember drizzly Chicago out in the sticks or Mudfest NJ? Not when the NPPL sends out a thousand and one press releases daily telling you how fabulous they are. The NPPL also has a single product they're delivering in 7-man while the PSP is carrying 5, 10 and divisional X to the peeps all the while lugging around the NXL on their back.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Booya39
Paul? .... Alders?

I knew Baca was pro-strange (opposite of anti-strange) but is that/are you biker paul???

Bite your tongue, Boo. I guess somebody isn't reading their PGi cover to cover. No, I'm not that Paul.

Intheno--that's very good. Did you just copy that from the latest NPPL press release? Plainly the NPPL is hitting its stride and doing a fantastic promotional job.
Perhaps you could project out a few years for me and tell us what the outcome is gonna be? Do you think the NPPL really sees a big money, TV friendly, outside sponsors world of tourney paintball including Rookies, Novs and Ams on an equal footing with the Pros? And continuing to maintain the tourney structure that currently exists with its limitations of scale?

 

[Intheno]

not exactly.
The Nppl players have something to aspire to though - If they do well in thier division they are featured on the NPPL DVD's. If they make it to Pro and reach the finals they get on TV, guarenteed.

As for the big money outside sponsor stuff, maybe you should look around at the Tampa show, I hear there may be something worth seeing there.

Of course the rookies, novices and Ams are not on the same footing as the Pro's. Name a sport where this happens. The Pro's get on TV. More people want to watch the Pro's. As players we have to be real about this.
The limitations of scale are surely reached already. I seriously doubt the NPPL would run bigger events, they will just sell out sooner and sooner until it is very difficult to get a place without signing up on the first day, and the waiting list will get longer.

It comes to this, do you want things to change or stay the same, you can't have both.

 

[Baca Loco]

It comes to this, do you want things to change or stay the same, you can't have both.

Mostly I just wanted to see what, if anything, you would say. Nor would I disagree with your general propositions. However--

Plainly, the move to 7 minute games was an effort to stretch the format.
Additionally, if a finite team limit is reached, and adherred to, with a growing demand side, at what point does the NPPL start prioritizing slots and edging the lower level teams out? That's likely to happen at some point, right?
Again, I don't have a problem with it but it seems to me--though I could be wrong--that a significant element of the marketing and promotion of the NPPL is aimed foursquare at the "average" player presently competing. Yet the simple reality is the future doesn't belong to that player and that in some critical ways the NPPL's long term goals don't include them.
Now maybe it's fair to say they ought to understand how things are gonna go but if they did maybe they wouldn't be quite so enamored with the prospect.

 

[Dannefaerd]

Additionally, if a finite team limit is reached, and adherred to, with a growing demand side, at what point does the NPPL start prioritizing slots and edging the lower level teams out? That's likely to happen at some point, right?

Yes and no. What will be more likely is that there will finally be a proper way to differentiate between playing levels of players/teams (as opposed to the arbitary system of "We want to play in this division") - and we will see two tournaments run back to back, with the Div 2 & Div 3 teams playing in one weekend and the 'Pro' & Div 1 playing the following weekend in another (but at the same location if you get my point).

That way you can effectively double the potential maximum number of teams at an event, and still have it function under the same umbrella brand (NPPL & Pure Promotions). It also allows for a proper promotion/relegation scenario through all divisions.

Short terms fix if the 7-player format continues it's growth, which then leads into "feeder" events to qualify for the "main event" ... but that's for another thread

 

[Intheno]

I thought the NPPL was capping the number of teams in each division next year, therefore negating the concern of lower level teams being edged out by other teams 'muscling in'.
I think this should address your point Baca.
As a rule, the teams competing would experience no real general change, but the upper level teams would get increasing exposure, while the 'lower' teams would aspire to this and look to progress through the divisions, in the annual Promotion/relegation battles that see teams move up or down the league depending on performance, a system used successfully in European Soccer (football)
No closed shop, no big buck franchise, no unfair advantages, no 'job for life'
just performance based results and performance based league positioning

 

[Intheno]

sorry, didn't realise someone had already said all the same shxt as I just typed, I have to work on my typing skills for sure