are Euro refs better

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Russell Smith
Steve Morris is trying to do the same sort of thing himself and I am sure he would agree with what I have said.

I definitely agree with you Russell. And much respect to you and your refs.

Originally posted by Russell Smith
There are some difference's in reffing even at the top end.
Steve like's his guys to lay down on the floor to get under the ball so they can get a better view. I completely disagree with that and if one of my guys gets on the floor, he will not come again.

Committed people with different sets of experiences and influences will disagree and we've already had some discussions about certain points. Again, respect to you and what you're doing. I look forward to more open discussions about reffing and rules. I know I have a lot to learn from you.

Steve

PS. I read some of the rules suggestions you put forward in PaintballUK. I agree with all of your points.

SM

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Russell Smith

Steve like's his guys to lay down on the floor to get under the ball so they can get a better view.
I completely disagree with that and if one of my guys gets on the floor, he will not come again.
But that is just small stuff and now I have said it I am sure Steve will start a new thread in the pros and cons of lying down.

Interesting, I'd certainly like to read about that!

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by alt01
...several times I took an obvious hit which a ref saw and instead of running in to pull me instantly they waited to see if I would pull myself or play on and get the 1 for 1.

I'm definitely against "baiting" and tell our refs not to do that. If a player is hit and is close by they will be called out instantly. If it takes a second or two to get to them and they have played on by body language or action they will get penalized.

If any of our guys did that and you're sure of it I'd like to know.

Steve

 

[Wadidiz]

Re: Re: are Euro refs better

Originally posted by Collier
Interesting, I'd certainly like to read about that!

Concerning lying down or standing up I say that you cannot properly ref from behind players. You will definitely miss some hits or be too slow finding some hits. The only way I would allow my refs behind players would be if there are other refs covering the front sides of every player. Refs who stand up infield in X Ball tend to get in the way as do shields in many situations.

More could be said but a new thread might need to be started.

Steve

 

[Beaker]

Re: Re: Re: are Euro refs better

Originally posted by Wadidiz
More could be said but a new thread might need to be started.

Steve

Then start one discussion on ref techniques

 

[Collier]

Re: Re: Re: are Euro refs better

Originally posted by Wadidiz
Concerning lying down or standing up I say that you cannot properly ref from behind players. You will definitely miss some hits or be too slow finding some hits. The only way I would allow my refs behind players would be if there are other refs covering the front sides of every player.

I completely agree, I witnessed a classic example which I made referance to in the 'other' euro refs thread. In that instance being in front of the players lying down would have IMO been the correct position, the hit would have been seen straight away.
At the time I put it down to ref 'inexperiance', but now I see it's Russ' policy I'm curious as to the reasons why.
New thread sounds like a good plan!

 

[stongle]

Russ's plan is much better.

I for one enjoy shooting refs in the head when they wander around the field like weebles. I claim additional kills.

Prefer Steve's method.

 

[ascutt]

Russel

I am curious as to how you guys picked up inner lane shots while judging x-ball if you weren't in the feild? I have run feilds at nearly every Millennium event this year and have always had people on the floor in lanes, if not then you miss the inside shot.
Normally, the guys on the foor are my best marshals and work the hardest all weekend. Its not the favorite spot on a feild but it gets hits spoted way quicker.

I look forward to your explaination.

 

[Russell Smith]

Russel

Originally posted by ascutt
I am curious as to how you guys picked up inner lane shots while judging x-ball if you weren't in the feild? I have run feilds at nearly every Millennium event this year and have always had people on the floor in lanes, if not then you miss the inside shot.
Normally, the guys on the foor are my best marshals and work the hardest all weekend. Its not the favorite spot on a feild but it gets hits spoted way quicker.

I look forward to your explaination.

I think my comments have come over a little wrong, I have no problem with refs refs on the floor if when they see something they get off their belly and do what is required themselves, instead I see them shouting to other refs to do the pull for them.
You do not have to be on the floor all the time.
I like my refs to crouch down so they can move quicker and react to developments in the game.
They do not get in the way and can turn round to view the full field quicker.
And can also pick up the inside shot.
I always have refs in field as you pointed out you can not ref the field correctly unless you have refs in-field.


Russ

 

[Wadidiz]

As Andy Scutt pointed out you have to have your best and most energetic refs in-field. Usually it is best to have them lying down on the break and in any position where there is a shooting lane. Since such a ref is often in one of the shooting lanes the player can usually see the refs call instantly. Plus, even at my ripe old age, I can shift to a kneeling position instantly and be ready to run and do whatever is necessary.

I must say that this discussion can be difficult because one shouldn't make too many generalities about standing, using shields, positioning and styles of reffing. Different situations require different methods and different refs have different styles. The main thing is that the job is done effectively.

Steve