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Robbo

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
....Bob and Pete..... the know-it-all brothers:

How many tournament players are there in Europe and how many in the US ?

Nick
Nick, I don't know it all, never said I did and I doubt Bob would say anything different (whoever Bob is) but what a ridiculous question you ask, Nick give it up mate, you are goin from bad to worse.
 

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It dosn't matter how many tournament players there are in Europe, the US has a gun culture which means pball will always develope faster and the players over there will progress against european players as a result.
An example of this is people setting up sites where players can practise, in parts of the US you can drive down a road and go past several sites, over here they're like rocking horse ****.
Plus, we have a lack of mentors/role models. A kid in socal can go down to SC Village and model his game on one of the best players in the world, many tournament players over here stay stuck at the same level for years, learning only from their mistakes.
Nexus have progressed very fast due to the input of guys like Pete and Ledz, there are few players with equal ability to 'teach' people how to play in Europe, in the US there are many more and always will be.
 

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Originally posted by matski
It dosn't matter how many tournament players there are in Europe, the US has a gun culture which means pball will always develope faster and the players over there will progress against european players a result.
An example of this is people setting up sites where players can practise, in parts of the US you can drive down a road and go past several sites, over here they're like rocking horse ****.
Plus, we have a lack of mentors/role models. A kid in socal can go down to SC Village and model his game on one of the best players in the world, many tournament players over here stay stuck at the same level for years, learning only from their mistakes.
Nexus have progressed very fast due to the input of guys like Pete and Ledz, there are few players with equal ability to 'teach' people how to play in Europe, in the US there are many more and always will be.

Mat, the key thing here is this :- American supremacy is an emergent property of many factors not least of which is their playing pool from which to cherry pick.
As Nick well knows, there is a significant factor difference between the two continents and this is not just the major difference in the number of tournament teams.

Common sense tells us all, or should do, that if you have a playing pool of numbers 'x' and from that you select the best of them, then if you have another playing pool of say '10x' then that selection is going to be significantly improved over the former if the same criterion are used for selection.
No rocket science there.

But as you hinted, the team disparity isn't the only mechanism here, the sites springing up all over the US provide a breeding ground for literally thousands of walk-ons who play Sup' Air.
Go down to SC Village any weekend and you could choose fifty tournament grade players right there.
The playing pool in the US in terms of selection potential is not and never has been limited to just team players.

Aspects like sponsor dollar, convenience of practice etc just go to make matters worse and I also think, and here I am speaking about the differing mindsets between say, us Brits and the Yanks, their philosophy being whole lot more serious than ours, generally speaking.
 

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That survey firm wich someone quoted earlier gave a number of 6,5 MILLION (!!) players in the US.

Lets use common sense here shall we?

Conservatively speaking from that 6,5 million lets say 10% is interested in tourny style playing. That is 650.000 people Nick!
But be ultra conservative and lets say 5% still 320.000 players..


Now take a good sober look on Europe and tell me that we have anything comparable.


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p.s: TJ you might wanna work on that spelling :D
 

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Originally posted by acsik
Come on
That survey firm wich someone quoted earlier gave a number of 6,5 MILLION (!!) players in the US.
Lets use common sense here shall we?
Conservatively speaking from that 6,5 million lets say 10% is interested in tourny style playing. That is 650.000 people Nick!
But be ultra conservative and lets say 5% still 320.000 players..
Now take a good sober look on Europe and tell me that we have anything comparable.
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p.s: TJ you might wanna work on that spelling :D
Actually the figures posted by the NSGA (National Sporting Goods Authority) indicated over 8 and a half million.

Of course in Nick's universe (the one created for the purposes of this thread) there are a simliar number of players over here in Europe....hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... :):):)
 

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There are European countrys with that headcount for gossake!!


As the guy said from the New Russians in some countries your talent and playerbase is soo limited that you have to accept players who you normally wouldnt..

Im still saying contrary to theese facts, when effort and dedication meets you have RESULTS! Look at what the TonTon, Russian Legion and the Nexus guys pull off in pro in the US and EU.
We have fewer high profile teams from a smaller player base able to compete with the US powerhouses and thats what counts.




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rancid

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We all know about the player pool balh blah blah, but... I think Matski is closer to discovering the reason we lag behind, and that is good mentors.

Take a look at what Robbo's done for Nexus.

Now, are we saying that Pete managed to pick the ten best players in the whole of the UK? Nah, of course not. So, that leaves you thinking that if those ten people had had the flu that day, he'd have picked another ten people... and I reckon they'd have been just as good (no offence to current Nexus squad).

Now, who else in the UK could have done this? C'mon, name some names.....? Nah, there ain't no one.

There are hundreds of UK players out there who could play for Nexus, or Dynasty or RL or anyone you like. But there's no one at the top to pick em out. And until the Nexus boys have grown up, and are starting their own teams then I'm afraid we're going to be having our arse handed to us week in, week out.
 

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Originally posted by rancid
until the Nexus boys have grown up, and are starting their own teams then I'm afraid we're going to be having our arse handed to us week in, week out.
Does that mean there is no salvation for around 5-10 years then?

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Jeeez !

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
You people can't read stats !

That's 6,9 million people that participated more than once in 2002 (no - not 6.5 or 8.6 million people - get your facts straight).

The common rental field (over here at least) has an average of 10 % repeat customers in a year, and what that means, is that the vast majority of that stat is run of the mill rental customers.

THEN, add to that that an overwhelming majority of the players with own equipment are Rec players.

At BEST, the tournament scene accounts for 1 % of that stat, which translates into 69,000 tournament players.... and I think that is a too optimistic number.

Believing that Europe is far behind that number comparatively is uninformed.

Before you start subjecting me to ridicule, at LEAST get your facts straight !

Oh yeah - you might want to revise your belief that the earth is flat also !

Nick
Kool, it's 6.9 million, so fackin wot ?
U saying we got the same number over here ?
If u dig yerself any deeper into that hole, a frikkin kangaroo will be jumpin over yer head, now give it up, u r makin a fool of yerself !

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