orrrrr we could put em in an enclosed area and stand rund the top and pelt em with 20kg weights fired from bazookas, maybe to be generous if they survive we could drop em in a pool of radioactive waste and put a lid on it...
Am B? Wtf?
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Weren't the guys from the PanAm working on a database system, with the potential to run a global ID system .... be a big step in terms of sandbagging wouldn't ya think.
What ever happened to that?
What ever happened to that?
I think the Am B division is a good idea, as it gives the really good novice teams a place to go without having to go am. Like it or not, there's going to be some teams that arn't good enough to compete in Amateur A paintball, but they're going to go to the events and still trash real 'novice' teams. There's several teams that played almost every Millenium event last year as Novice, that will probably never play Amateur, but arn't really 'novice' either.
Also, with 4 Divisions, that means that there will be more teams making semis, and finals, so more teams have a chance to get a result.
I think the Player cards are a good concept, and they can be put to good use. There's a strong involvement with NPPL admistration at Millenium Events, and I'm sure that it's not too hard to share data between orginisations. The Player cards are a good idea, however the Millenium organisers were not able to use them to their full potential,... yet. They're a step in the right direction, and the bigger the sport becomes, the more important they will be. I have heard that they will be much more usefull next year, so maybe this is going to be one of those things that will take some time.
Anyhow, i think these are two things that are going to help the Millenium series grow next year; to improve on things that can be improved, and to change things that don't work.
Also, with 4 Divisions, that means that there will be more teams making semis, and finals, so more teams have a chance to get a result.
I think the Player cards are a good concept, and they can be put to good use. There's a strong involvement with NPPL admistration at Millenium Events, and I'm sure that it's not too hard to share data between orginisations. The Player cards are a good idea, however the Millenium organisers were not able to use them to their full potential,... yet. They're a step in the right direction, and the bigger the sport becomes, the more important they will be. I have heard that they will be much more usefull next year, so maybe this is going to be one of those things that will take some time.
Anyhow, i think these are two things that are going to help the Millenium series grow next year; to improve on things that can be improved, and to change things that don't work.
Touchy feely lovie dovie
>>>>>Also, with 4 Divisions, that means that there will be more teams making semis, and finals, so more teams have a chance to get a result.
Aww bless - let's just make it so's everyone's a winner and we can all feel warm and icky inside.
Seriously, why is that a good thing? It all goes back to that crazy mentality that's sprung up recently that everyone has to be a winner or place or get a prize...this is sport godammit, not group therapy.
See what you did now? I'm starting to sound like tha Cow...
>>>>>Also, with 4 Divisions, that means that there will be more teams making semis, and finals, so more teams have a chance to get a result.
Aww bless - let's just make it so's everyone's a winner and we can all feel warm and icky inside.
Seriously, why is that a good thing? It all goes back to that crazy mentality that's sprung up recently that everyone has to be a winner or place or get a prize...this is sport godammit, not group therapy.
See what you did now? I'm starting to sound like tha Cow...
Your limiting yourselves.....
.... take all the Nsync's, Gareth Gates, Will Youngs, Pop Idols, Rivals, Academy (Winners and Losers), and anyone else who's basically a kiddie karaoke singer and bung them in the Big Brother house after lacing all the food with an LSD/Acid combo.... and leave plenty of sharp objects lying around. Tell them the winner gets to sing live on 'This Morning', the rest have to join a Smurfs Tribute Band, and they'll do each other in without us having to get our hands dirty....
Sorted!
Can't say I really care what the divisions are called, although consistancy would be nice if we want to be taken seriously as a world wide sport.
Urban
.... take all the Nsync's, Gareth Gates, Will Youngs, Pop Idols, Rivals, Academy (Winners and Losers), and anyone else who's basically a kiddie karaoke singer and bung them in the Big Brother house after lacing all the food with an LSD/Acid combo.... and leave plenty of sharp objects lying around. Tell them the winner gets to sing live on 'This Morning', the rest have to join a Smurfs Tribute Band, and they'll do each other in without us having to get our hands dirty....
Sorted!
Can't say I really care what the divisions are called, although consistancy would be nice if we want to be taken seriously as a world wide sport.
Urban
Prize of the year for thread jacking and sidetracking a semi serious topic goes to...
"TJ LAMBINI!!!!!" whoot!
Nice one dude, I will never feel guilty about doing it myself again
4 Divisions is good. Having a division for purely beginners 'rookie' is a good idea. Forcing them to move up a division once thay have played some basic ball is a good idea. Calling a division Am B is a sucky idea.
To make it simple...
Call the Divisions Pro, Amateur, Novice and Rookie if you want to stick with the same basic set up. At least then we can market this better to outsiders and press etc.
Or
Make a step forwards and call it Div 1, Div2, Div3, and Div4, etc
Maybe even go one step further and have each division be a set number (depending on the size of the event) and make people work for promotion and greater glory!!!
Oooh now there's an idea... I'm getting deja vous
manike
"TJ LAMBINI!!!!!" whoot!
Nice one dude, I will never feel guilty about doing it myself again
Am B is a stupid idea, one of the worst things I have ever heard of to call a division. How the hell will you market to outsiders the fact that there are two amateur divisions? Where else do you get more than one division working under the same basic title. It's crap. All of your other points are right though and what I was getting at. And why having the ROOKIE division is a good idea. They would be your true 'beginners' and Novice division can still be a large group of people that aren't gonna be good enough for Amateur.
4 Divisions is good. Having a division for purely beginners 'rookie' is a good idea. Forcing them to move up a division once thay have played some basic ball is a good idea. Calling a division Am B is a sucky idea.
To make it simple...
Call the Divisions Pro, Amateur, Novice and Rookie if you want to stick with the same basic set up. At least then we can market this better to outsiders and press etc.
Or
Make a step forwards and call it Div 1, Div2, Div3, and Div4, etc
Maybe even go one step further and have each division be a set number (depending on the size of the event) and make people work for promotion and greater glory!!!
Oooh now there's an idea... I'm getting deja vous
manike
This is a good way to get the sports council to recognise us without hesitation.
Div 1 (X-Ball)
Div 2, Div 3 & 4 possible X-Ball partnered with large tournaments.
This helps those teams with a smaller wallet, with the choice in lower divisions to do either tournament.
The pro teams will be X-Ball continuously.
The international ID system will take more than a year to sort out.
Player databases will need constant updating as teams have new players coming/going a lot of the time, this aint football guys, where you get massive coverage of transfers.
The people behind this database will need a lot of media access.
(more than today)
PGI can help with this.
And as for this drowning all thsoe postar's etc, aint they all to do with pop?
Lez massacre that instead, less work
Div 1 (X-Ball)
Div 2, Div 3 & 4 possible X-Ball partnered with large tournaments.
This helps those teams with a smaller wallet, with the choice in lower divisions to do either tournament.
The pro teams will be X-Ball continuously.
The international ID system will take more than a year to sort out.
Player databases will need constant updating as teams have new players coming/going a lot of the time, this aint football guys, where you get massive coverage of transfers.
The people behind this database will need a lot of media access.
(more than today)
PGI can help with this.
And as for this drowning all thsoe postar's etc, aint they all to do with pop?
Lez massacre that instead, less work
I don't think the AM B title is a bad tag to have.
from my prespective, it should make getting sponsorship a little easier as a company is more likely to give money to an Amateur team, than a novice team. I see your point Manike, but i don't think it's really a big deal. I'm just happy that this new division exists.
There's another point. What do you think that a true novice team gets out of playing against a pro team? Nothing!
They get shot to crap, they're barely on the field for more than a few minutes, and i can assure you the pro teams don't get anything out of it either. Giving Novices their own division to compete in really a better idea all around.
However there's a select few teams that played novice last year that were able to give the ams and pros a good run for their money, and these teams actually get something out of playing teams well above their level.
I'm only speaking from my own experince, so feel free to dissagree.
from my prespective, it should make getting sponsorship a little easier as a company is more likely to give money to an Amateur team, than a novice team. I see your point Manike, but i don't think it's really a big deal. I'm just happy that this new division exists.
More teams playing on day 3 means, more paint shot by the teams (paint sponsors like this), and more good games of paintball to play (good for spectators). The more activity there is on Day 3, the better really.
There's another point. What do you think that a true novice team gets out of playing against a pro team? Nothing!
They get shot to crap, they're barely on the field for more than a few minutes, and i can assure you the pro teams don't get anything out of it either. Giving Novices their own division to compete in really a better idea all around.
However there's a select few teams that played novice last year that were able to give the ams and pros a good run for their money, and these teams actually get something out of playing teams well above their level.
I'm only speaking from my own experince, so feel free to dissagree.
Novice teams and players with no ambition to become better get nothing from playing pro teams.
In other words, Novice teams who have accepted their place are the ones who want their own classification. I can only assume this makes them feel better if they happen to place well in a sub-par class. Teams who realize they are Novice, have intention of becoming more than that, and accept that the teams in the higher classes are doing something right should really WANT to get on the field with those guys.
It has been my experience, at least in the States, that the top 5 or 6 Novice teams wish they didn't have to play the pros, but the other 80 really look forward to it.
In other words, Novice teams who have accepted their place are the ones who want their own classification. I can only assume this makes them feel better if they happen to place well in a sub-par class. Teams who realize they are Novice, have intention of becoming more than that, and accept that the teams in the higher classes are doing something right should really WANT to get on the field with those guys.
It has been my experience, at least in the States, that the top 5 or 6 Novice teams wish they didn't have to play the pros, but the other 80 really look forward to it.