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Ive seen two videos and loads of photos and all I saw (apart from some great paintball and one helluva surface) is a lovely looking surface covered in millions of paintballs!! Surely a dozen kids running on with brushes (like 3ft wide brushes) every 3-4 games wouldnt hurt? Or what happened to Greedy Gutz?
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
As said before Paris, I originally designed fields with fewer bunkers.... and then more were added by the MS later.... which removed some of the kill zones.

I agree that the fields are a little too cluttered.

BUT.... the powers that be in the MS want it different :)

- BTW... Dynasty wouldn't have played a Div. 3 team.... the draw doesn't work that way.

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Nick
ok div 2 ...........the point still stands.

Why do you keep doing it when they keep changing the design?

Could the MS explain why it's important to have a certain amount of bunkers?
 

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Christan, i agree with you.

The fields are to cluttered and the reason why there are certains fields one way and then another field TOTALY diffrent is because there done by 2/3 diffrent people each time by the mill commite.

Also what i dont understand is that Nick says that the MS want the fields like this when the players are not happy with them.. why do MS want to make there customers unhappy?
 

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Originally posted by Bolter
Ive seen two videos and loads of photos and all I saw (apart from some great paintball and one helluva surface) is a lovely looking surface covered in millions of paintballs!! Surely a dozen kids running on with brushes (like 3ft wide brushes) every 3-4 games wouldnt hurt? Or what happened to Greedy Gutz?
They did, after every game some kids wud come on the field, clean the bunkers and try and blow as much of the balls off the astro as possible

The astro was awesome to play on, loved it. The fields were ok, cronic and tomahawk were pretty boring, millennium and dye fields were good, JT was good altho saw alot of short games on there due to snake being such a killah!

Marshalling was OK, but again some really bad calls. The only field that i thought the marshalling was good on was the Dye and the Millennium field. The others were up and down

The site was kool, better atmosphere from Amsterdam, good to see sooo many people coming to watch only thing I would say is the tarmac was so slippy, saw people slipping over left right and center and hurting themselves (myself included :( )

Overall it was a really good event, the waiting times btw games weren't too bad, bit of a mission to get air and ‘crono and paint.

Looking forward to campaign cup, i hope its going to be on the same surface as Paris!
 

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Originally posted by Myth
Christan, i agree with you.

The fields are to cluttered and the reason why there are certains fields one way and then another field TOTALY diffrent is because there done by 2/3 diffrent people each time by the mill commite.

Also what i dont understand is that Nick says that the MS want the fields like this when the players are not happy with them.. why do MS want to make there customers unhappy?

Myth, the 'cluttered' fields as you call them are an attempt to encourage aggressive paintball by introducing more bunkers, the theory is simple.
If you have fewer bunkers it allows teams who just lane-shoot as a working philosophy to have the advantage, if you have more bunkers then lane shooting is obviously more difficult to do thus allowing more movement.
The teams with the more aggressive philosophies then have the advantage and therefore the game is more exciting to play and just as importantly to spectate.
In these times of trying to sell the sport to the mainstream, the last thing we need is to watch two teams run out and indulge themselves in boring-ass, lane shooting fests for ten minutes all sitting behind their primaries.
There is obviously a limit to this cluttering but I don't think that line was crossed in any of the fields I saw in Paris, far from it.

As to the degree of difference between field designs, that is subjective and open to all sorts of interpretation depending upon criterion and thus deems this point pretty much baseless.
They all had roughly the same number of bunkers and were all playabale to varying degrees, the main determinant in their 'playabliity' was the amount of you work put in in trying to understand them.

I don't think the MS set out to make their customers unhappy at all, they seem to do it by default but it is preventable, they just have to consult the teams a lot more instead of just going ahead with some half assed idea with no real warning.
They really need to listen to this otherwise they run a real risk of pissing off their customer base too much and allowing competitor leagues to gain a foothold in 2006.
 

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While I understand the criticism about cluttered fields..... I also think it has gone somewhat overboard.

Yes, the fields have too many bunkers for my taste at the moment.... but not many... the Paris designs I did (MS, DYE and Chronic) had 4-6 bunkers added to them after I submitted the designs... nto more than that.

I have asked the "unhappy customers" in here to submit designs, so that I can see what it is they want exactly.... and only two have responded.... one of them with a design that was completely unworkable, and another with a design that had just as many bunkers - and too many of certain bunkers compared to what is available.

Nick
 

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I was just thinking (again) the other day about outside crowd participation. What does a big series such as MS (or NPPL/PSP) do to make the crowd understand what is happening on the field, and between games to keep them sitting put and not leaving because of boredom? Any information up about how games and scorings work, a commentator explaining this and that or is it still all about “yo, yo yo”-paintball talk?

Considering the time it takes to get off and on the field for a new team people ought to get really bored watching 7man format? Can the format really survive in the future? Considering how important the “outside people” must be for the growth of the ‘sport’.

Anyone noticed anything about this in for instance Paris where it must have been a lot of people wondering about, and care to share it?
 

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
While I understand the criticism about cluttered fields..... I also think it has gone somewhat overboard.

Yes, the fields have too many bunkers for my taste at the moment.... but not many... the Paris designs I did (MS, DYE and Chronic) had 4-6 bunkers added to them after I submitted the designs... nto more than that.

I have asked the "unhappy customers" in here to submit designs, so that I can see what it is they want exactly.... and only two have responded.... one of them with a design that was completely unworkable, and another with a design that had just as many bunkers - and too many of certain bunkers compared to what is available.

Nick
Nick, do you not think it'd work if u 'officially' tested the water, way in advance of any event with the "customers" ?

I mean, if u were to put out a full list of all 'available' bunkers to the public and get them to design the fields they wanted, once all the designs are in, take em' and use them ideas, with existing designs already proven? Kinda like putting everyones head together and not just the ms. Then in theory, not many people can then complain and bitch cause they've had their chance to change it!

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