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Accuracy or Speed?

garycarrot

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Everyone should be able to hit a head size target, anywhere on a "normal" size supair field. But hitting a moving target is harder.

The paint to barrel match affects your aim, as does the weather conditions.

You have got to be able to hit what you are aiming for, so my vote goes for accuracy.

There again, as a back man, I have to put loads of paint down, so speed is important.......but if its not hitting what I am aiming for, what use is it???

ACCURACY.
 

chris h

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for what its worth!

If paintballs starts to become outrageously accurate...and the speed of markers gets ridiculouso dont u feel that it could damage the sport/the fun...

................that margin of error....in my opinion.....makes for a more exciting game....true....as a front player i love the break-out....knowing there could b 3 markers shooting 20bps at me.....

but if things go too far (accuracy/speed) I dont think u'll c too many mad dashes.....more of a sandbaggers game.

Chris H
 

JoseDominguez

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
this thread isn't about full auto, it's about speed vs accuracy.

take the full auto preaching somewhere else please...

There's two things i want to add here.
1. accuracy counts when you have a shot on, and you need to make it. Speed wins when you have to fill a space with paint and try to hit someone running thru it, ( sweet spotting). Most modern guns are relativly accurate, and relativly fast, so in my opinion it's an issue of 'user interface' or how fast and accurate a particular person is with a specific gun.

2. sometimes speed is a hinderance, people get so wrapped up in shooting their guns fast that they forget to play tight, or shoot strait. It happens. To really good players too.
Kyle will vouch for me on this... Danchez picked up a timmy on the weekend, ran out, and got shot in 15 seconds because he forgot to look out for paint because he was focusing onripping the gun so fast.
what preaching? it was a discussion about SPEED...... started when silly fire rates were quoted and someone said certain markers got high fire rates due to bounce. Pretty relevant too, considering the problems with the system X select fire switch and all the controversy over the markers selected for X-ball........ sponsorship or ability to bounce?
My original point was that really high fire rates are a skill, therefore the player doing it has practiced and is probably better than those complaining anyway........ the opposite view was that most of these fire rates are due to "marker setup" anyway...... which if it's bouncing is against the rules and possibly illegal.
So, I think the real debate is whether insane fire rates are a skill or a marker issue. Why practice walking the trigger if it can be set up to do it for you?
As for accuracy........ it's a ball of goo...... there's not an awful lot more we can do to enhance accuracy without altering the ammo...... and you can't do that either. As long as the marker is legal, it should be limited by the hopper feeding it and the person pulling the trigger. As any of the current up to date markers are capable of high ROF's.
So, how many markers out there are getting high rates because of trigger set up? can I legitimately up my ROF from 12-15 bps just by swapping my marker? if so, what should I be firing? or what do I need to do to my trigger set up? as far as I'm concerned, the only thing I should be able to do to increase ROF is practice.... and once I reach the cap for the marker I'm using, trade up to a faster one...... but if some posts to be believed and high ROF isn't really a skill...... then do I just need a different marker?
My opinion on speed over accuracy? er well, you need both, there ya go..... if all you do is accurate snap shooting then you'll only hit players who hang out/haven't seen you etc... (anyone keeping tight will be gone by the time the ball gets to him) and if you have no accuracy.... then you''ll only ever get lucky hits. You need accuracy to put it were it's needed and speed to keep a string he'll pop out into.
 

Mazz

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Thanks to all, looks like I missed the whole paint issue didn't I!! DOH!

I can see everyones points of view (Even the whole full-auot/semi debate!) So what would you guys consider being accurate.

Yesterday I was sweet spotting from a distance of about 50-60 meters and hit Spike (god only knows how!) I'm shooting an Electra with a 14" Boomstick and blaze paint and my shots are spreading out to over a 5+ Meter radius! Is this considered Accurate? obviusly longer barrel = more accuracy but with what I've got would you consider that good?
 
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[QUOTEobviusly longer barrel = more accuracy [/B][/QUOTE]

Really?
 

Gadget

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Well I suppose if you had a 50m barrel then you could guarantee perfect accuracy everytime.....as you rested the tip against your opponents head ;)

But practically there's a limit to how much of the barrel length affects accuracy - I think it's only the first 8 or 10 inches, sommat like that.

Didn't Tom Kaye have a 'Perfect Circle' brand of perfectly round paint? Dunno much about them but seem to remember they weren't gelatin shelled and the cost ruled them out of everyday use?
 

Sinner

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Mazz, a longer barrel realistically has sod all effect on accuracy.

For real world purposes, a paintball is accelerated to its eventual muzzle velocity in just the first ~6-7 inches of a barrel - funnily enough about the length of the back part of two-piece barrels, I wonder why that is? Hmmmm - beyond that all a barrel does is extend the reach of your bayonet and provide porting to reduce the noise produced by a shot. Some like longer barrels to enable them to manipulate SupAir bunkers, but that is a side-effect.

Barring defects/damage, what effects accuracy and range is muzzle velocity - and we're all limited to 300fps no matter what barrel or marker we use - and the shape of the paintball plus how well it matches the internal diameter of the barrel used. As Gadget mentions, a perfectly round paintball - which effectively doesn't exist beyonf marketing blurb - will be more accurate than what we typically get to chuck.
 

Skeet

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Well...i suppose that the front section...which is usuall .700 or there abouts, works the same as a free air atachment, that we use in target shooting...basicly, gives the ball chance to settle down while still n a relativly controlled environment...so is usefull in that way...but yes, the ball is only accelerated in the first 7 inches or so.
6 inches is enough, but i will stick to my 8 thanks all the same...

Ohhh...my 2000th post...wow, and to think that 90% of that is probably crap!!!