A Problem with God
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looking at this from anothe angle as its the only way i can make sense of what you mean, put god in an executive producer/director role of a film.
the film has been made and the studio decide that at some point the movie goes wrong and asks the director to re film from a given point.
the film is still made and the audience are unaware of the change but everyone involved in the production are aware.
the unused film is still on the editing suite floor and has happened but is rendered redundant by its none use.
everyone involved in said movie from caterers to stars will still have a memory of an event that to everone else never happened.
as I see it if you changed the time line then you would know, huntly would know, the girls would know and god would know. anything after the event i.e. the press coverage and police investigation would not have happened in the new time line. the old timeline is now redundant. because you have killed huntley he is not part of the new time line so you and the girls are the only humans that know what had happened so another dilemma unfolds.
would god allow a seperate time line to be created and risk 3 peoples sanity or risk the original events being divulged and therefore you and the girls being seen as insane unjustly?
so i think if him upstairs could alter time he would have a moral obligation to wipe the memories of the people involved to avoid those peoples minds overloading or the people you saved being persicuted as insane and having the life you saved being a terrible life to live.
in this event his omnipitence would be unknown by you so your paradox would be negated as you would have no idea it happened.
i hope that made sense.
the film has been made and the studio decide that at some point the movie goes wrong and asks the director to re film from a given point.
the film is still made and the audience are unaware of the change but everyone involved in the production are aware.
the unused film is still on the editing suite floor and has happened but is rendered redundant by its none use.
everyone involved in said movie from caterers to stars will still have a memory of an event that to everone else never happened.
as I see it if you changed the time line then you would know, huntly would know, the girls would know and god would know. anything after the event i.e. the press coverage and police investigation would not have happened in the new time line. the old timeline is now redundant. because you have killed huntley he is not part of the new time line so you and the girls are the only humans that know what had happened so another dilemma unfolds.
would god allow a seperate time line to be created and risk 3 peoples sanity or risk the original events being divulged and therefore you and the girls being seen as insane unjustly?
so i think if him upstairs could alter time he would have a moral obligation to wipe the memories of the people involved to avoid those peoples minds overloading or the people you saved being persicuted as insane and having the life you saved being a terrible life to live.
in this event his omnipitence would be unknown by you so your paradox would be negated as you would have no idea it happened.
i hope that made sense.
I don't think it's denomination dependent at all, it's not really for us to define what god is or isn't; all we can effectively do is acknowledge him/her if we feel the need and then the religions can all dive in with their own particular interpretation of what God expects of us.
Yes, I understood what you wrote, and no, it didn't make sense, sorry mate.
How on earth would the girls know?
And I'm afraid everything after the paragraph ending ...'dilemma unfolds' is not making any sense at all, sorry
If (a) God is truly omnipotent, he could even alter the original timeline. He could do whatever the hell he wanted, laws of nature be damned. It makes no sense to our non-omnipotent minds, but he could undo history and make it so it never happened, not even originally.
That's the benefit of living in fairy tale worlds.
That's the benefit of living in fairy tale worlds.
If you consider yourself a Christian, then your God is omnipotent period. If you don't, then of course he can be whatever you want him to be; that's the 'great' thing about God.
Yeah but what robbo is saying in order for him to do that the event must have happened for him stop it from happening and if he does so he (god) would know it has happened.
i think that is what robbo's point was
Once again thinking within the restraints of human logic... Stop doing that, a god sure doesn't.
If he is omnipotent, he can alter the laws of the universe. He could make it so it never happened, even if it did. Even to himself. If you made the frikkin universe, that would be no more than a party trick.
Remember, he can do ANYTHING. Even if it goes against all laws of nature.
If he is omnipotent, he can alter the laws of the universe. He could make it so it never happened, even if it did. Even to himself. If you made the frikkin universe, that would be no more than a party trick.
Remember, he can do ANYTHING. Even if it goes against all laws of nature.
Tek, the great thing about God is, we are not in any position to define him regardless of denomination ...... it's not within our power to define him.