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DMZ Hasse

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
We can do BOTH !

Lock the divisions for the team with the money and/or willingnes to sacrifice - to play the required 4 events.

Everyone else play in either the 3rd Divisions (Novice) or the "Open" Division (those that do not want to play 4 events per year but are too god for Novice)
Yes, I figured that much, and it would be nice if it worked. What troubles me is that I don't think that many (=most=not enough) lower level teams can afford it unless more cash comes in also at that level, and I don't see how it will.
 
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2 controlled explosions, one pint of lager and we're back.

>>>Lock the series now, with no long term commitment from MS, and you will lose most of the teams.

Lose them to where though?
 

DMZ Hasse

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
The Millennium Series emails alle the teams within two weeks, and asks them what they can commit to and in what Division they want to play.

That having been done, the Series is locked at a level consistent with the replies the Series got.

Divisions can then be expanded as the need grows.

Like I said, if they do that and only accept teams who can commit to 4 tournaments or more I fear that there will not be enought teams. Especially since you don't need to play all legs. Lets say you lock AM A at 20 teams. 6 of them will play Spain in August, or some other tournament where the fields are considered too hot/difficult/ugly or whatever. And there are no "twice a year" teams to fill up the division with.

Also what about the US teams, do they have to commit to playing 4 tournaments or play open class?
 

DMZ Hasse

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Are you not getting what I am writing ????

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
There are STILL Open Divisions for those not willing to commit to at least 4 events !

And yes - SOMETIMES Am A (Division 1) may only be 6 teams (doubt it will be that low though - 19 Am A teams played 5 or more events this season)..... but so be it !


No! Not "so be it". That would just plainly SUCK! Really.

But - the point ALSO is, that once teams are made aware divisions will be locked, they will STEP UP !

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Yes, my question was if the US teams have to choose between playing open class and committing to 4 tournaments. I take your outburst as a yes...

Step up is easier said than done. Read my earlier post. I DO NOT SEE HOW THIS CAN BE DONE unless more prizemoney and sponsormoney becomes available for the lower divisions (lower than Super Pro, Premier League or whatever it will be called). And I don't see how that would happen just because we locked the divisions.

Like I said, most teams didn't play the whole series in our divisions. I think most of them wanted to.
 

DMZ Hasse

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Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

What it DOES do, is place the committed teams in to a structure that allows teams to get promoted and relegated - and allows the rest to take part at a level that suits their abilities and dedication to the series.
You are the seller, I am the buyer. What is your value proposition to me, a potential AM a team next season?

-Will I get to play more or less teams that are at my level?
-Are there any financial incentives for me to commit to playing 4 legs? (in 2003 I wouldn't have been able to commit to 4 events, even though we ended up attending all of them)
-What will happen if we don't play 4 events even if we promised to? Are we thrown out of the division?

I still think you have too much of a Pro perspective on this, and that the lower divisions are not ready for it. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
 

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The NPPL tracks individual players' seedings. What's so hard about it?

If you want to follow the PSP/NXL model instead of the Super 7 model, fine, whatever, but say that. Don't say "that is impossible," and drop it without providing any evidence.

Or do, what do I care, I live in the US. Like I'll be playing any Milleniums before you figure this out.
 

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There is a lot of talk about the NXL, Richmond, tough choices and the time to make them.. it seems almost like we're inventing our own "x-ball". By that I don't mean we're literally pirating the idea but that whatever the new format is for the Millennium Super League it appears it may have as much influence on us over here as X-Ball did State-side.

I'm all for the advancement of paintball but can someone explain the rational behind these changes?

You see, the problem I can't get passed is that almost all other successful sports seems to have a single "point-of-interest".. one point that you can watch that the entire game revolves around. Many sports have balls.. Soccer, American Football, Golf, Rugby, Basketball, Baseball. With most forms of group racing the "point-of-interest" is the front runners.. watching the leaders. For individual sports the "point-of-interest" is obvious. Boxing has one "point-of-interest".. two guys five feet apart battering each other.

Paintball does not, I think, have any "point-of-interest". Stand 30 yards from a field and you can't even see the balls flying. From a spectators point of view we might as well be pointing sticks at each other and shouting bang. Most of the time it is difficult to tell who has shot who out from right on the side lines and at no point can you see everyone on the field as you can in all other traditional team sports due to the nature of the game.

For T.V. purposes I believe paintball will only ever be a "highlights" or documentary show. Three or four days filming to get enough exciting footage to fill an hour show. Are people happy with that or do we need to somehow complete re-invent the game to get what we want?

Maybe I'm wrong or being too pessimistic, or maybe even just plain thick ;) but can someone explain the overall objective?

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I agree, it is very old ground and there have been numerous discussions about it.

But it seems to me that the over-all objective for change within paintball is orientated towards getting T.V. coverage and I am wondering whether I am reading it wrong?

Incidentally, for curiousity value, what do you think our strengths are?

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Strengths

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
In my view:

- Targeted at the 12-24 agegroup
- Targeted at males
- "Cool" image
- Action packed sport
- Fast paced sport
- Extreme growth rate
- "New" sport

Nick
Plus brightly coloured clothing & "big boys toys"