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I have to disagree Missy. The PSP and the Millennium are now the only two organisations left around the table. The timing for their meeting in Vegas couldn't be better in terms of the opportunity they have to finally unify tournament paintball. Why let this opportunity pass?

The Millennium and PSP surely have a lot on their plates right now, but natural selection has left them with the responsibility of creating a unified structure to tournament paintball that bridges the pond and leads the world from here on in.

I for one are looking to them to step up to the challenge and hope that the natural selection of only the fittest survives means that they are up to the job. I imagine I am not the only one with high hopes.

Unification is well overdue and the time is right now.

You may get your wish.
But it isn't what I would do if I were the PSP. I would consolidate, have a solid US season, then address unification with Europe in '10. I think trying to establish a new world order in 4 months is an unecessary distraction from a primary goal.

Also, in my opinion, with there only being one league in the US now, there actually is a 'unified structure to tournament ball'. The MS don't really have the option to go a different route, not if they want to stay alive.
 

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You may get your wish.
But it isn't what I would do if I were the PSP. I would consolidate, have a solid US season, then address unification with Europe in '10. I think trying to establish a new world order in 4 months is an unecessary distraction from a primary goal.

Also, in my opinion, with there only being one league in the US now, there actually is a 'unified structure to tournament ball'. The MS don't really have the option to go a different route, not if they want to stay alive.
I believe some of the ground work has already been done over the last few years with the EPBF and the WPBF (or whatever the acronyms are). Also, the PSP and Millennium formats have been getting closer and closer together over the last two years. I suppose its now a case of bringing it all together and standardising it all.

I see what you are saying about the PSP workload, but I still maintain that they should step up to both challenges... the timing is just too good and who knows what may happen over the next year.
 

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I believe some of the ground work has already been done over the last few years with the EPBF and the WPBF .
No offence to anyone, but I am not sure that whatever those letters stand for will have any bearing whatsoever, other to confuse people.

the timing is just too good and who knows what may happen over the next year.
I would only change one word. replace 'Just', with 'not' and we are on exactly the same page.
 

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Is it just players in europe who want a unified league and format? Do the US players want it as well? How does unification benefit the PSP now that the NPPL is gone?

Im afraid im with Missy on this one. I think that the PSP should back away from the table for a year, consolidate and concentrate on providing an excellent setup for their teams and then come back and talk about unification.

In the present climate, is it not going to be really really expensive to run xball for all teams? We've seen several high profile british teams fold recently and reading between the lines of posts on here i think there are more to come europe wide. X-ball at the moment would not benefit teams here in my opinion.

Im also going to ask, how would a unified format benefit us? I honestly can't see the reasoning behind it at the moment. What teams are honestly going to go over and play in the states, and are we really going to see american teams come over and play in millenium events?
 

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Is it just players in europe who want a unified league and format? Do the US players want it as well? How does unification benefit the PSP now that the NPPL is gone?
I'm not so sure the American players give a flying fcuk about transatlantic unification, in typical American fashion. they don't really see too much beyond their own shores, unless of course you are in the industry which will obviously change your perspective somewhat bearing in mind the US recession contrasting with European growth.

Unification benefits the PSP when you factor in the holistic approach to what's going on.
If i were the guys in the PSP, I would be looking to create the basis for that 'new world order' i keep going on about and what this really means is laying the foundation of common rule books, formats etc as I have explained.
The benefit is?
They are frikkin' huge ..for the PSP I mean.
At the top of the pyramid, which they most surely are, they can then set about controlling the manner in which each and every federation (different countries and in our case, Europe as a whole) align themselves.
There are hundreds of thousands of dollars wrapped up in membership fees ..... think about it ......and this is just the beginning of a raft of income streams that can be developed when you are sitting atop a world federation.



Im afraid im with Missy on this one. I think that the PSP should back away from the table for a year, consolidate and concentrate on providing an excellent setup for their teams and then come back and talk about unification.
In the present climate, is it not going to be really really expensive to run xball for all teams? We've seen several high profile british teams fold recently and reading between the lines of posts on here i think there are more to come europe wide. X-ball at the moment would not benefit teams here in my opinion.
I think you'll find any new format will resemble the Millennium format more than the traditional XBall. I'm sorry but I agree with Chris here, I don't see any reason why the PSP guys shouldn't have talks with the Millennium. It's not going to be some real complicated, in-depth unification charter, it's gonna be a talk about general principles and areas of overlap and intention.
I think the timing is good for all concerned and although Missy's advice sounds good, for me at least, it doesn't really hold much water.
The undoubted contraction in European tournament teams is gonna happen regardless of whether we align or not.


Im also going to ask, how would a unified format benefit us? I honestly can't see the reasoning behind it at the moment. What teams are honestly going to go over and play in the states, and are we really going to see american teams come over and play in millenium events?

Firstly, I don't think many Euro teams are gonna go stateside just to have their ass handed to them; after all, as soon as they go to the US, the teams who have US stars bolstering their roster won't have them anymore which means they are gonna be bitch-slapped even more.
The advantage to us is maybe opening up the potential for US teams and players coming across IF we open up our ridiculous locked league system.
Sometimes initiatives like this don't have obvious immediate and direct advantages but the move toward a unified world rulebook and format is inevitable and this process is merely the mechanism for achieving that aim.
 

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Unification benefits the PSP when you factor in the holistic approach to what's going on.
If i were the guys in the PSP, I would be looking to create the basis for that 'new world order' i keep going on about and what this really means is laying the foundation of common rule books, formats etc as I have explained.
The benefit is?
They are frikkin' huge ..for the PSP I mean.
At the top of the pyramid, which they most surely are, they can then set about controlling the manner in which each and every federation (different countries and in our case, Europe as a whole) align themselves.
There are hundreds of thousands of dollars wrapped up in membership fees ..... think about it ......and this is just the beginning of a raft of income streams that can be developed when you are sitting atop a world federation.
Thats cool, but in the present climate is it sensible to develop these revenue streams in the way that your describing? Yes a unified rulebook etc would be great, but teams are feeling the pinch more than ever, and with the millenium series asking for monies up front, banging on about the TV deal they've got going on and basically saying, we've got this now pay up more than ever earlier than ever is this good for the players. If something like a franchise came into effect, who would bear the costs? The players who are stretched enough already, is the answer to that question.

I think you'll find any new format will resemble the Millennium format more than the traditional XBall. I'm sorry but I agree with Chris here, I don't see any reason why the PSP guys shouldn't have talks with the Millennium. It's not going to be some real complicated, in-depth unification charter, it's gonna be a talk about general principles and areas of overlap and intention.
I think the timing is good for all concerned and although Missy's advice sounds good, for me at least, it doesn't really hold much water.
The undoubted contraction in European tournament teams is gonna happen regardless of whether we align or not.
I think talking is good. Im not against talking. What i think is that both sides need to take stock and say, we're both in good positions. Lets see how this next year pans out, PSP trials whatever format they think will work best perhaps with the teams that are left out of the 'new NXL', the millenium series takes stock of just how good a position they are in, get rid of a certain person who in reality can only fu*k it up, offer any support they can to help the PSP out (bearing in mind there are only 4 full timers), perhaps restructure into a model that insetad of having 5 partners run the thing and be reponsible, have a CEO and shareholders. CEO runs the damn thing and the shareholders get a return from the profits. The shareholders can be involved in the organisation but it needs 1 person to run the show and the rest to support. Then at the end of the season come together and take some time to thrash the details out, instead of a whirlwind romance messing up 6 months from now.

Firstly, I don't think many Euro teams are gonna go stateside just to have their ass handed to them; after all, as soon as they go to the US, the teams who have US stars bolstering their roster won't have them anymore which means they are gonna be bitch-slapped even more.
The advantage to us is maybe opening up the potential for US teams and players coming across IF we open up our ridiculous locked league system.
Sometimes initiatives like this don't have obvious immediate and direct advantages but the move toward a unified world rulebook and format is inevitable and this process is merely the mechanism for achieving that aim.
I agree with the first part. Wholheartedly. The second part i dont think is going to happen for a long long time.

p.s. I think unification is good and right. I just dont think it should be rushed into.

edit: what i think i meant was an MD with several directors each running their own area. So The MD in charge overall, a director of finance, director of teams, a director of venues, a director of whatever etc etc
 

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One of the things we have to do at some point is get everyone on the planet to agree on a format.

There is a unique opportunity RIGHT NOW to do exactly that. It would be a mistake to not seize this opportunity while it is present.