Re: That's a pile of crap.
conceded, damned good post (Chicago)Originally posted by Steve Morris
Damn good post, Chicago.
15bps rant
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That's a pile of crap.
Agreed, and I think another thing that makes it more exciting is guns going full tilt - NXL style. The 15bps rule started to take away the advantage that designer cheats give but has ended up in a very positive evolutionary step for spectator ball.
I agree something needs to be done,
But i dont feel this is the soloution.
Gun cheats will still cheat, ramping/selective fire would still be illegal under the proposed rule, Yet there is still no way to check for it.
The whole point of bringing the rule in seems to be that no one wants the rampers (see the poor sod who got flamed in classifieds selling a cheat board)
Yet whats to stop us capping markers at 15BPS and the cheats doing the exact same. Yeah they are at 15bps, but they can get there a lot easier than those being legit.
Or is the idea that we all get cheater boards and in effect move away from Semi?
If this is the case, surely there is no way it could go into the rules this year without being illegal in the UK.
As stated before, I am aware that some use cheater boards etc. But feel it has never cost us a game. Yet wiping has cost us many games. There are 101 things wrong with this sport. Seems a lot of effort enforcing a rule, when there are worse infringements happening.
Maybe its back to basics? How about 1 marshal per player, how about opening up coaches talking to players. If people wanna bring us close to Xball etc why not go the full way and really get this sport moving.
Now that I would like to see
But i dont feel this is the soloution.
Gun cheats will still cheat, ramping/selective fire would still be illegal under the proposed rule, Yet there is still no way to check for it.
The whole point of bringing the rule in seems to be that no one wants the rampers (see the poor sod who got flamed in classifieds selling a cheat board)
Yet whats to stop us capping markers at 15BPS and the cheats doing the exact same. Yeah they are at 15bps, but they can get there a lot easier than those being legit.
Or is the idea that we all get cheater boards and in effect move away from Semi?
If this is the case, surely there is no way it could go into the rules this year without being illegal in the UK.
As stated before, I am aware that some use cheater boards etc. But feel it has never cost us a game. Yet wiping has cost us many games. There are 101 things wrong with this sport. Seems a lot of effort enforcing a rule, when there are worse infringements happening.
Maybe its back to basics? How about 1 marshal per player, how about opening up coaches talking to players. If people wanna bring us close to Xball etc why not go the full way and really get this sport moving.
Now that I would like to see
The PA league has introduced legal crowd particitation - coaching. I like this on a couple of levels, one it's better for spectators and secondly it's better for marshals - they don't have to worry about the crowd they can concentrate on the players/game infront of them.Originally posted by FAMINE
If people wanna bring us close to Xball etc why not go the full way and really get this sport moving.
Now that I would like to see
i'd agree that crowd participation should be allowed- it'd make the spectatos feel more into the game- than just watching from behind netting
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Cheating is a problem and one that will not go way.
If 15 bps is to be enforced then all well and good but if it is not, then to keep me in the game I may have to go the way of the cheat.
I came into this game last year and really love it, I captain a team and have made it known to the rest of the players that I feel if they cheat, then a win resulting from that is not worth a sh!T.
If you can rattle 15+ bps unaided then, I feel sorry for you if the rule is enforced.
If you need aid to play and you need a cheat board then maybe you are in the game for the wrong reasons.
I was going to suggest that we step back from electric hoppers then the cheat boards will have less affect, try using one if the ball drop is reduced.
I would be more than happy to be mugged by a real player manually firing 15 bps than John Doe using some unnecessary cheat board, a real player (gentlemen) will in most cases try to hit a backpack, John Doe will just let rip and f**k you.
Hold a pole at every tournament and then the % will be known. (Not hard to do).
Spectators fight not sportsmen, as for guns rattling, not to impressive, I would much rather see a good move ending in a mugging any day.
Just my 2p worth
If 15 bps is to be enforced then all well and good but if it is not, then to keep me in the game I may have to go the way of the cheat.
I came into this game last year and really love it, I captain a team and have made it known to the rest of the players that I feel if they cheat, then a win resulting from that is not worth a sh!T.
If you can rattle 15+ bps unaided then, I feel sorry for you if the rule is enforced.
If you need aid to play and you need a cheat board then maybe you are in the game for the wrong reasons.
I was going to suggest that we step back from electric hoppers then the cheat boards will have less affect, try using one if the ball drop is reduced.
I would be more than happy to be mugged by a real player manually firing 15 bps than John Doe using some unnecessary cheat board, a real player (gentlemen) will in most cases try to hit a backpack, John Doe will just let rip and f**k you.
Hold a pole at every tournament and then the % will be known. (Not hard to do).
Spectators fight not sportsmen, as for guns rattling, not to impressive, I would much rather see a good move ending in a mugging any day.
Just my 2p worth
I feel sorry for you if you can rattle out 15bps and get capped by a guy ramping at 25bps.Originally posted by ANDY MEERCATS
Cheating is a problem and one that will not go way.
If 15 bps is to be enforced then all well and good but if it is not, then to keep me in the game I may have to go the way of the cheat.
I came into this game last year and really love it, I captain a team and have made it known to the rest of the players that I feel if they cheat, then a win resulting from that is not worth a sh!T.
If you can rattle 15+ bps unaided then, I feel sorry for you if the rule is enforced.
I would be more than happy to be mugged by a real player manually firing 15 bps than John Doe using some unnecessary cheat board, a real player (gentlemen) will in most cases try to hit a backpack, John Doe will just let rip and f**k you.
Hold a pole at every tournament and then the % will be known. (Not hard to do).
Spectators fight not sportsmen, as for guns rattling, not to impressive, I would much rather see a good move ending in a mugging any day.
Just my 2p worth
There is no correlation between 'a real player' shooting 15bps manualy and choosing to shoot you in the pack and a trigger assisted player ripping you up? There are plenty of players that will rip you not matter and plenty of players that will pack shot you no matter.
X-ball is the ultimate TV format, no one will argue that. There is a reason that the NXL guns are rattling - because it is exciting.
You came into the game last year (I've been playing 14 years) which is a great time to come in as we have evolved soooo much you wouldn't recognise it from pre sup air. Back then we had exactly the same arguments when the semi-auto came out and replaced the pump. Then the same arguments when sup-air replaced woodland. Don't get me wrong rec ball in the woods with pumps is good for some - but not good for spectating so things change.