Exactly why I used the google example. As this is exactly what has happened, and in my honest opinion what is happening at the moment with the masters.
Quantity vs Quality
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Exactly why I used the google example. As this is exactly what has happened, and in my honest opinion what is happening at the moment with the masters.
Morning.
Your Google example is very good(i was a bit young for the betamax). But to say people go with the crowd/norm/what's familiar then surely people will stay at the NSPL then won't they and not swap to the Masters? If they did then this is the opposite of your example, albeit an excellent one. If they do switch then surely this shows that the Masters are in fact better than the existing model and showing that the other events were less superior? (Not saying they are by a long way, just explaining)
Your Google example is very good(i was a bit young for the betamax). But to say people go with the crowd/norm/what's familiar then surely people will stay at the NSPL then won't they and not swap to the Masters? If they did then this is the opposite of your example, albeit an excellent one. If they do switch then surely this shows that the Masters are in fact better than the existing model and showing that the other events were less superior? (Not saying they are by a long way, just explaining)
This whole situation seems to hang on the fact that Wendy has betrayed the confidence of the other fed board members, yet Robbo has stated he has always known that Wendy is driven by profit margins.
It looks to me that the Fed had a misplaced confidence in someone to keep to a word that goes against what was deemed to be that persons driving factor. I am in no way suggesting the Fed are to blame for this situation but it seems the consequences were a little too high to go on trust. If two busnisses are in direct competition and eroding each others profitability then I would suggest any mediation should have been done with more than a handshake and doffed cap as security.
The masters was seen by alot of players as the premier event this country had to offer even with the flaws inherent in the system employed to run the event. Now a smaller event has arrived that gets no bad press and the players love to attend oh and it is held in the north. could this have eaten into the Masters market share and forced wendy's hand in moving south again?
The whole situation we find ourselves in now is a sticky one and due to the not really official status of the Federation they really have limited options available to sort it out. The sly remarks and hush hush way the story came about also added to the problem as the Federation seemed to get dragged into this via Robbo's affiliation and others speculation of the circumstances surrounding the deletion of the masters forum.
I think it's time the Fed appointed a spokesperson seperate from p8nt to make offical announcements on their behalf so show that they and p8nt are not one in the same as some believe. Robbo has often stated that he is not the fed but is still percieved as their mouth piece simply because he is the only voice we here from inside thier board.
I hope the situation we find ourselves in finds a way of correcting itself. But the quality vs quantity debate seems to hinge on an nspl vs masters argument now 2 series isn't quantity and there are only 3 main players at a national level now. Quality is the deciding factor in an ideal world but value for money has to take into account travelling expences for a minimum of 5 guys to an event and if that outways entry costs then most will go for the cheapest option. Value is important to me and as such embark on a 4 hour each way journey to play the CPPS as opposed to the Northern Masters but as i said above cost may force some teams to just play their local series.
Everone has access to google and other engines but not everyone has access to the best tourney and have to make do.
It looks to me that the Fed had a misplaced confidence in someone to keep to a word that goes against what was deemed to be that persons driving factor. I am in no way suggesting the Fed are to blame for this situation but it seems the consequences were a little too high to go on trust. If two busnisses are in direct competition and eroding each others profitability then I would suggest any mediation should have been done with more than a handshake and doffed cap as security.
The masters was seen by alot of players as the premier event this country had to offer even with the flaws inherent in the system employed to run the event. Now a smaller event has arrived that gets no bad press and the players love to attend oh and it is held in the north. could this have eaten into the Masters market share and forced wendy's hand in moving south again?
The whole situation we find ourselves in now is a sticky one and due to the not really official status of the Federation they really have limited options available to sort it out. The sly remarks and hush hush way the story came about also added to the problem as the Federation seemed to get dragged into this via Robbo's affiliation and others speculation of the circumstances surrounding the deletion of the masters forum.
I think it's time the Fed appointed a spokesperson seperate from p8nt to make offical announcements on their behalf so show that they and p8nt are not one in the same as some believe. Robbo has often stated that he is not the fed but is still percieved as their mouth piece simply because he is the only voice we here from inside thier board.
I hope the situation we find ourselves in finds a way of correcting itself. But the quality vs quantity debate seems to hinge on an nspl vs masters argument now 2 series isn't quantity and there are only 3 main players at a national level now. Quality is the deciding factor in an ideal world but value for money has to take into account travelling expences for a minimum of 5 guys to an event and if that outways entry costs then most will go for the cheapest option. Value is important to me and as such embark on a 4 hour each way journey to play the CPPS as opposed to the Northern Masters but as i said above cost may force some teams to just play their local series.
Everone has access to google and other engines but not everyone has access to the best tourney and have to make do.
Well let's look at it this way then.
Seeing as Yorkie is hosting both the NSPL & "Southern" Masters, then teams more local to Bricketwood will more than likely opt for the local/easy/familiar option (out of laziness/apathy) when the NSPL moves to it's Reading venue for 2/3 legs, diluting the number of teams that attend those fixtures.
Bon - how many Masters events have you played? All of your posts refer to the events being poor, however that hasn't been my experience.
I'm an entirely impartial party with no loyalty to any of the various organisers, however I think it's a bit rich to state that x is better than y when you have no first hand experience of either.
I'm an entirely impartial party with no loyalty to any of the various organisers, however I think it's a bit rich to state that x is better than y when you have no first hand experience of either.
not rly sure why am posting here as i no very little. but ive heard bad crap about ever event mentioned and i see the players spending a fortune to go to each event and with very little return.
and it seems scotland gets the short straw no matter what.
but yeah you get a few games and if your lucky you might win a cup or a very small prize. does it seem worth travelin 400 miles and a few £££ per player per event for a 0 return ? id personaly rather play where i get the best win.
and it seems scotland gets the short straw no matter what.
but yeah you get a few games and if your lucky you might win a cup or a very small prize. does it seem worth travelin 400 miles and a few £££ per player per event for a 0 return ? id personaly rather play where i get the best win.
I have to say that the way this discussion has presented itself would lead people to suspect that there is a feeling that in some way the Masters has been offering an inferior product. I really dont think this is the case. I have played the Masters since it was taken over from Blakey (i played it before that) and the SAD crew. I have also played the NSPL since it moved up from the south west. The standard has been consistantly higher in the north (in my opinion) and at better locations. I think Ancaster is a superb tournament event. I also think that Wendy's approach to scheduling is much better. The separation of sessions into morning and afternoon cut down the time between games and made it easier for people to plan their day. My experience of the NSPL has always been that the waiting time between games is far longer. As regarding marshalls, i think the standard is relatively equal (both have some serious problems). I think the masters is more consistent across fields and that the refs take a more pragmatic approach to customer care (if you ignore the hpg crew who, from what i saw caused nothing but problems when they marshalled). The NSPL has stricter refs and field one is usually right on the money, however, quality (in my opinion) slips as you move across the non xball fields.
To say (or insinuate) that the Masters has been offering poor value for money is simply not true when looked at in relation to the other events offered (excluding the cpps). Unless you accept that all events have been poor value. The cost per game is about the same as the nspl and the freakz. I suspect that coming into a tournament environment that was already established allowed the cpps to price themselves competitively against the other events since the other events had already set a price. This gives a feeling of more bang for your buck, which may be true. However, had the prices been different, then the cpps might not have been able to come in at such a competitive level.
I think the state of tournament paintball in the UK at the time the fed started was at a low for a number of reasons and may not have been entirely due to the state of the events themselves. A move to locked or strictly managed rosters, a dislike of ramping by low order (numerically important to a series) teams made up of older players, and a feeling that marshalls had forgotten why players drive so far and spend so much money combined with an economic down turn. This lead to a really unusual situation that threatened both the nspl and the UK Masters.
Regardless of where your allegiances lie or what level you play at, the standard of both events should be up for challenge not just one. If Wendy hadnt have made this decision, would we even be having this discussion?
To say (or insinuate) that the Masters has been offering poor value for money is simply not true when looked at in relation to the other events offered (excluding the cpps). Unless you accept that all events have been poor value. The cost per game is about the same as the nspl and the freakz. I suspect that coming into a tournament environment that was already established allowed the cpps to price themselves competitively against the other events since the other events had already set a price. This gives a feeling of more bang for your buck, which may be true. However, had the prices been different, then the cpps might not have been able to come in at such a competitive level.
I think the state of tournament paintball in the UK at the time the fed started was at a low for a number of reasons and may not have been entirely due to the state of the events themselves. A move to locked or strictly managed rosters, a dislike of ramping by low order (numerically important to a series) teams made up of older players, and a feeling that marshalls had forgotten why players drive so far and spend so much money combined with an economic down turn. This lead to a really unusual situation that threatened both the nspl and the UK Masters.
Regardless of where your allegiances lie or what level you play at, the standard of both events should be up for challenge not just one. If Wendy hadnt have made this decision, would we even be having this discussion?
I also think your assumptions on how many events ive attended make your entire post pointless.
The only series I didn't go to last year was the CPPL, and as ive also stated I will be attending an event ASAP to compare.
