Fed cup feedback

[Markie C]

From what I could see the "dip" in the feilds was even both sides, having not played I cant comment if one side was more unfair which as I said in my first post...

Well a dip going down one side of the field and then going back up doesn't make it a "nice flat field does it"?



scheduling? Well having been there when SEVERAL people including event staff mentioned scheduling problems, yes I thinkso.

I am not sure what went on, we didn't have any problems but i think the draws weren't the best.( as in teams weren't really matched to play each other) as i said we had no problems but this is what i heard.


Marshalling? Well when I was watching I agreed with most marshalls desisions, the only thing I disagreed with sometimes is when I thought people should have been 241'ed or even 341'ed and only a 141 was called.

Reffing was ok not great but ok some dodgy calls but you get that with every event?



I would also like to point out.





All I see in your post is saying you disagree with what I say but nothing to follow up with those points.


BON: i think that you have made your post, so that people think you are actually involved with this event ie making it happen or have some thing to do with the running of it with, your first post with comments like " thanks for this and thanks for that people are just assuming you might have some thing to do with it, that's what i am reading into it maybe i am wrong.

From our point of view.

The food and the marquee was a great food was good and at really good prices you could tell there was a lot put into it.

For the first fed cup it was a good weekend, it seemed like every one involved made a effort to try and make it feel like a special event not just normal 2 day tournament, but for the first time it was a good effort.

 

[Luke W]

I thought it was a good event. Nothing special, just like a 2 day masters though in my opinion. Food was better than usual. I was expecting a few more teams though. Maybe the scheduling was done differently but I was xpecting more than two fields worth of teams.

A more central site would have been better, I know there had to be a venue change and there was problems, hopefully next time this will be solved by having more time to organise it. The dip in the fields in the middle are a bit of a pain as well.

I liked the idea of 'making Sunday' as well. It's just a shame that there wasn't twice as many xball teams there though to make it possible for it to be a bit more of a challenge actually making Sunday, rather than 80% of the teams being able to do so.

The problems people had on field one (xball) with the refs made it all a bit more "interesting"...

 

[PETE SHOCK UNIT]

fed cup

hey, just wonna say shock had to shoot off as we had 4 hour journeys and after playing we were shattered so apoligies for not hanging around. well just like to give some feedback whether we like it or not as long as its constructive, weldone to all the venders for their support although no one bought anything, although it had high expectations this was just a masters event for two days.

what was the idea of this event i dont know, just a propaganda stunt to show the industry cares?
i thought we were trying to help the tourney scene grow so why didnt the lower level teams play against higher levels and again not allow them to up their game.
as for the format well for starters the rules were made up as the weekend went by with all sorts of calls and decisions being made, i saw so many rediculous calls being made which just makes teams think why bother, some of us have been on the circuit a long time and you cant pull cotton wool over our eyes.

ok you may say whats the problem?
the reffing was inconsistent, you would see a bad call being made and then on the same breath an over exaggerated one to compensate it, crazy!
if we are all honest the reffing was poor end off, yeah you may hate me for that but its true, just ask the teams, and really you dont need to cos it showed in our fustration and thats why so many players got out of hand with bans, warnings and like a trillion 1 4 1's. reffing is like policing so if you want the respect show it.
we are paying customers and the reffs are human beings too, but it all got out of hand cos the rules were crazy and the benefit of the dault was thrown out the window, chris edwards and i just looked in horror at some of the calls. before we were gonna play the finals we both said that whatever the outcome it would be down to how the reffing went.

im not here to slag the guys off as some guys were cool and as i said you commit the crime they will have you for it, but same reffs thought it was their duty to throw penalties like they were out of fashion.
how are we gonna grow as a sport if we just keep screwing each other.

if this federation thing is gonna work we need to also look at improving the consistentcy and uniform policing of reffing and not the politics, as one player said to me after the last match "they were liked in the north so it was no surprise they won", fine so what are we supposed to take from that?
dont come again, ok so another top team pulls out, and so on and so on its just crazy.

i for one will be pulling shock out of the fed cup series and the masters as i and my players have lost all confidence and are afraid it will just get out of control. if this is a sport and wish to progress and i mean move in the right direction then alot needs to be done. main one is for all of us to pull together and not just put a front on.

just a quick one on a positive, paint from jon payne was bang on thanks jp, planet eclipse spot on with the geos, and ive been lucky enough to have shot the new 2010 and its just well amazing, ledz man its gonna smash it next year, i highly recommend you guys try one and then just fall in love and buy it, simon jt just looks serious as ever thanks for all your surport man, draxxus hellfire a no brainer best out there.

guys on a last note come on we all can do better than than from all corners so lets do it and get brititsh paintball back on pole position again, mr robinson we need to talk lol, nice to see ya again you handsome devil.

 

[DR.X]

i'd jus like to thank to everyone who organised the event i think ya's did a great job.

and the teams we played entity shock2 and the firm for giving us a serious beat down

it was great to play against all you guys and we are very thankful for the opportunity.

pity we had to run early for our flight back to the emerald isle

hopefully we will see ye all next season

(sorry for everyone i'm leaving out but there is so many and i'm a lazy typer)

your friends at team karange

 

[Robbo]

i for one will be pulling shock out of the fed cup series and the masters as i and my players have lost all confidence and are afraid it will just get out of control. if this is a sport and wish to progress and i mean move in the right direction then alot needs to be done. main one is for all of us to pull together and not just put a front on.

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And this is exactly the reason why UK paintball were in the cr@p we were, I'd like to say the thinking behind this post was ignorant but that would be bordering on the complimentary.
Pete, you really are a buffoon aren't you and you display everything that's wrong in UK paintball with your knee-jerk, no brainer of a response to not getting what you want.

You have adequately displayed not only the stature of a child, which of course isn't your fault but you have exampled the behaviour of one, which of course is.

Luckily for UK paintball, you have nothing, and will never have anything to do with the Federation ... go back to cutting hair ... I think that's a better way to spend your time.

If the rest of your team think and act like you, then UK paintball doesn't need or want you.
Every other team who won a trophy stayed behind, except one .. what a great advert you are for your sponsor Jon Payne, what a great example for other teams to look up to you are; if I were Jon, I'd have a serious think about where I put my sponsorship money.
Failing that, I'd demand your resignation from the team, if the team hasn't done that already after reading your post.
Come to think of it Pete, you always have been a small man with an extremely big mouth (and absolutely nothing to back it u with in terms of intellect or standing in our game, other than of course, being known as a consummate cheat) - perhaps you should go start your own federation and we'll see how just how long you last.

 

[Robbo]

I would just like to apologise to people for this last post of mine above, and I hope people see the reason why I reacted the way I did; a lot of people worked damned hard to put that event on and for that diminutive moron to suggest he was now pulling his team out, which of course he has effectively done without consulting his sponsor Jon Payne, is just insane.

At EVERY event, there will be problems with refs, you'd have thought that someone who has over the years cheated more times than just about anybody I could think of in UK paintball would have the audacity to even criticise the very people he is trying to fool, it's truly ironic.

We knew wouldn't get everything right but not one of us on the board believed that somebody would pull from the 2010 series just because they didn't get what they wanted in terms of a result and therefore blame the refs after the first event.

We knew we might have some flack come Monday morning but we had hoped we would have more positives being taken out of the weekend than negatives.

The last thing we want is to deter people from posting what they genuinely believe to be the truth of the matter and if that means they criticise the event, then no problemo but this guy's post is an insult to everybody involved in the industry, an insult to all UK teams and players who attended and on a wider note, to all UK teams and players who believe we need to act differently from the past.

By all means, criticise the weekend if you believe it to be warranted but please try not to emulate the above buffoon of an individual.
The idiot above is allegedly a 'pro' .... is it any wonder why people revile pros rather than look up to them as they once did if he is an example :/

 

[Dark Warrior]

i for one will be pulling shock out of the fed cup series and the masters as i and my players have lost all confidence and are afraid it will just get out of control. if this is a sport and wish to progress and i mean move in the right direction then alot needs to be done. main one is for all of us to pull together and not just put a front on.

Shock 1 had to shoot off but Shock 2 stayed to collect their trophy, don't they have a 4 hour journey too.

Sorry but it was not a Master's event, it may have been run at a site used by the Masters. Your limited knowledge of Masters events shows as most of the Masters teams I talked to said that it did not feel like a Masters event.

When have you guys not been to an event where some decisions went your way and some did not. Refs have to make split sec decisions which are made even harder especially when players get more adept at losing hits. Refs will try to give players benefit of the doubt, but then they are still tied to the Millennium rules which are do not give them much leeway.
Under no circumstances should any player verbally or physically abuse a ref on or off field, that shows severe lack of professionalism. The issues about standard of refing in the UK should be taken up at Federation level, not at events. Unification of interpretation of the rules and referee certification have to be managed at higher level.

If you "pull shock out" then is that not contradicting your later statement, "main one is for all of us to pull together". You cannot have it both ways.

There are things that need to improve in UK Tournament Ball, but don't expect it to happen over night. One thing to remember is that if you are not prepared to support the domestic scene from whence all your players come from, don't expect them to help you.

 

[Richie T]

Overall I thought this was a great event.

The fields did have a major dip in the middle, but if everyone plays on the same field then its fair right?

Food and drink was brilliant, £2 for a stella? nice! and curry and chips on the colder Saturday was awesome.

Trade stand presence was brilliant, massive props to those who made it, they all knew they were not going to make any money but showed their support anyway.

Personally didnt have a problem with the reffing, we had some bad calls, but dont you always?

Only one thought, location. I didnt have a problem with the drive but it would have been amazing if it could have been publicized better. This was meant to be a step forward for UK paintball, to show people how events should be run to cater for the mases, i just wish more people (players and the general public) could have been there to see it.

Massive congrats to the fed for their first effort.

 

[Robbo]

Shock 1 had to shoot off but Shock 2 stayed to collect their trophy, don't they have a 4 hour journey too.

Sorry but it was not a Master's event, it may have been run at a site used by the Masters. Your limited knowledge of Masters events shows as most of the Masters teams I talked to said that it did not feel like a Masters event.

When have you guys ever been to an event where some decisions went your way and some did not. Refs have to make split sec decisions which are made even harder especially when players get more adept at losing hits. Refs will try to give players benefit of the doubt, but then they are still tied to the Millennium rules which are do not give them much leeway.
Under not circumstances should any player verbally or physically abuse a ref on or off field, that shows severe lack of professionalism. The issues about standard of reffing in the UK should be taken up at Federation level, not at events. Unification of interpretation of the rules and referee certification have to be managed at higher level.

If you "pull shock out" then is that not contradicting your later statement, "main one is for all of us to pull together"

There are things that need to improve in UK Tournament Ball, but don't expect it to happen over night. One thing to remember is that if you are not prepared to support the domestic scene from whence all your players come from, don't expect them to help you.

El, I will paraphrase some advice my dad once gave to me if I can remember it ...... You can deal with villains, you can deal with politicians, you can deal with bigots, even terrorists ...but you cannot deal with an idiot ....

pete fooley is an idiot ..... cubed, and therefore not prone to bouts of rational thinking or commonsense .... and therefore outside of the realm of communication .... nobody can talk to degenerates like him, you are forced into telling him like it's gonna be!!!!

 

[solo69]

Good job All

Thanks to the Federation and ALL involved making this weekend happen

Thanks to all the 5man teams and Well done to the Saints

Only problems i saw were Xball teams kicking off but thats Xball for you

Johnny
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