With a proper league the teams that win get noticed because they deserve there spot ,in the same way players get noticed ,talent will out...
Too many teams?
- Thread starter Raffles
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I think that having more teams is a good thing too, by having them flood the lower lvels of the competition it brings out the better teams by having a system that is used in the NSPL that the top three teams get bumped up to the next division. This in itself helps push people up to the next level, as the only way to better yourself is to play a better opponant. If a team falls on its face and goes nowhere, then i would have thought, that at least one member of that team would want to continue and progress with his skills and look for a team in the next level.
Much like working your way through the ranks in the workplace, you have to start out in the low photocopying and tea making roles, before you can progress upwards ultimately to executive of the company.
I think by having the few creme de la creme teams that you have to try out for etc, cuts the tounament scene right down, and inevitably would increase the costs, due to playing abroad for decent competition, else plateauing and playing the same few teams over and over again.
just my $0.02
Much like working your way through the ranks in the workplace, you have to start out in the low photocopying and tea making roles, before you can progress upwards ultimately to executive of the company.
I think by having the few creme de la creme teams that you have to try out for etc, cuts the tounament scene right down, and inevitably would increase the costs, due to playing abroad for decent competition, else plateauing and playing the same few teams over and over again.
just my $0.02
Well my 2p is these noobies need to train with people better than them and get the bruises and the lessons along the way. I was in fact just talking about this today.
Not talking like Im some kinda saint here, but when I (and Steeley who is surely classed as a great player in these parts, myself probably the other end of the scale
) started playing we played week in week out against Kellys and Phoenix etc at the time some of the bset local competition.
Sure it was tough getting mowed but that actually made you a better player.
Ive seen people walk off the field when certain teams (the Firm included) go on the field to train. Beleive me that gets noticed and people Noobs or otherswise can quickly get a reputation for being "fair weather" players (I dont just mean no braving the wind and torrential rain).
So no i dont think there needs to be a nursery for developing new players.
Get alligned with a training site, get down there, and jump on the field, no matter who is playing.
That will get improvement quicker than starting your own team, shooting at posts and having 45 min fag breaks , and talking about how you shot someone once. It will also probably get you noticed a lot quicker in terms of joining an up and coming team.
Not talking like Im some kinda saint here, but when I (and Steeley who is surely classed as a great player in these parts, myself probably the other end of the scale
) started playing we played week in week out against Kellys and Phoenix etc at the time some of the bset local competition. Sure it was tough getting mowed but that actually made you a better player.
Ive seen people walk off the field when certain teams (the Firm included) go on the field to train. Beleive me that gets noticed and people Noobs or otherswise can quickly get a reputation for being "fair weather" players (I dont just mean no braving the wind and torrential rain).
So no i dont think there needs to be a nursery for developing new players.
Get alligned with a training site, get down there, and jump on the field, no matter who is playing.
That will get improvement quicker than starting your own team, shooting at posts and having 45 min fag breaks , and talking about how you shot someone once. It will also probably get you noticed a lot quicker in terms of joining an up and coming team.
In order to have your vision realised you would need loads of sponsorship and the money for sponsorship comes from the players you loose through your model of the sport.
Paintball relies on rental customers first and foremost and most of these are transient players. Tournament players are a luxury from which little revenue is obtained and to be honest they can be a real pain to sponsors through their 'me, me, me' attitude.
As an ex pro player I can assure you that all pro teams watch out for talent at tournies and are more than willing to take them off your hands at a moments notice.
Oddly enough players are not always willing to step up to the plate due to;
- lack of cash (it costs money to play lots of foreign events)
- loyalty to current team
- fear, big fish small pond, small fish big pond
- ambition (or lack of)
Players who have the ability can and will make it and the pro teams will pull out all the stops to get these players on board in order to continue to compete in the top flight.
If you limit the number of teams, you limit the player pool.
JJ
Paintball relies on rental customers first and foremost and most of these are transient players. Tournament players are a luxury from which little revenue is obtained and to be honest they can be a real pain to sponsors through their 'me, me, me' attitude.
As an ex pro player I can assure you that all pro teams watch out for talent at tournies and are more than willing to take them off your hands at a moments notice.
Oddly enough players are not always willing to step up to the plate due to;
- lack of cash (it costs money to play lots of foreign events)
- loyalty to current team
- fear, big fish small pond, small fish big pond
- ambition (or lack of)
Players who have the ability can and will make it and the pro teams will pull out all the stops to get these players on board in order to continue to compete in the top flight.
If you limit the number of teams, you limit the player pool.
JJ
That will get improvement quicker than starting your own team, shooting at posts
Basically in the country we need more "open" training days or sites
nearest site to me is kidderminster about 40 mins drive away and they no longer have sup air capabilities.
nearest training site is penkridge just over an hour away.
if there were more sites with open training days it could be argued that more people would train as it would cost less to get there in the first place.
the other thing is who at these sites will "run" the training? The Firm i believe used to do it for NQ
but what of the smaller/more local sites?
D - noticed by whom though?
rewind - but what about the player that is in a team that doesn't get bumped up? He/She would then suffer by still only playing at the same level they always have.
Lovetone - exactly. But it's simply not that easy for first timers - or even talented long term lower-div players. No-one actually goes up to them to say "Hey, fancy stepping your game up a level?". I've seen plenty of talented youngsters simply stagnate at the lower levels - just because they didn't have the confidence to try to move up - and felt like that they would simply not be welcome/laughed at (I've seen this happen!).
So - I suppose the question is now - "should 'top' teams have scouts?".
rewind - but what about the player that is in a team that doesn't get bumped up? He/She would then suffer by still only playing at the same level they always have.
Lovetone - exactly. But it's simply not that easy for first timers - or even talented long term lower-div players. No-one actually goes up to them to say "Hey, fancy stepping your game up a level?". I've seen plenty of talented youngsters simply stagnate at the lower levels - just because they didn't have the confidence to try to move up - and felt like that they would simply not be welcome/laughed at (I've seen this happen!).
So - I suppose the question is now - "should 'top' teams have scouts?".
"top" teams seem to scout any way when they practice/play regional tournaments.
but they dont seem to actively go out to spot anyone in particular.
I would like to know who or what decides that a team is a "top team" we dont seem to have a one united "league" in the uk
we have NSPL, CPPS and of course the Masters.
maybe a UK "central" series that culminates in the best of all 3 series with a few yearly events (4 or 5) with the 5 being the nationals. different divisions but ultimately crowning the best of british?
just a thought.
but they dont seem to actively go out to spot anyone in particular.
I would like to know who or what decides that a team is a "top team" we dont seem to have a one united "league" in the uk
we have NSPL, CPPS and of course the Masters.
maybe a UK "central" series that culminates in the best of all 3 series with a few yearly events (4 or 5) with the 5 being the nationals. different divisions but ultimately crowning the best of british?
just a thought.
JJ - Thanks for posting mate. It's good to see this from the 'pro' perspective. If I read you correctly, you say that the 'top' UK teams do, indeed, have scouts at domestic events - like the Masters, Syd's etc. Is this the case?
In answer to your quote Raffles...erm...get some confidence!?
to put it crudely: You aint ever gonna get any p***y if you dont talk to any women. and likewise when was the last time a woman chatted a guy up off their own back? (rhetoric, and not aimed at you, i mean in general to emphasise the point).
Its not like you are gonna die against a better team. youll get shot. therell be a greater chance than playing someone your own level. then you learn to not get shot.
Its not really a case of not having the opportunity. Its there if you want it to be. Get some balls and go play these people.
And It works both ways. As my post said, nothing is more annoying than going on a field to play, and people walking off because chances are theyll get beat on. How boring for the other team!
edit - and also, first timers, probably arent the people you'd be scouting for anyway, so its kinda moot. but again using the example of myself and steeley etc (just because thats what I have experience of) we pretty much got in the dirt from day one.
And @ Rat. Use the ones that are available. Your bitching about not being feasible to travel to a site. well, then only more are going to shut. Ones arent going to open on your doorstep unfortuately. You need to use the existing infrastructure. if the site exists at penkridge, use that. The person who owns the site / pays the rent / owns the bunkers will set it up; you pay them a green fee, and then organise playing points against other people there. its not exactly rocket science.
I dont think an hour is that long to travel. Whats that sixty miles. even at 30mpg in a car, thats 4 gallons. £16 return. less if you car share.
D7s north suffered the fate of lack of attendance. How long til the next one?
I for one will go to the next nearest which is Rich harris' site off J13 on the M6.
to put it crudely: You aint ever gonna get any p***y if you dont talk to any women. and likewise when was the last time a woman chatted a guy up off their own back? (rhetoric, and not aimed at you, i mean in general to emphasise the point).
Its not like you are gonna die against a better team. youll get shot. therell be a greater chance than playing someone your own level. then you learn to not get shot.
Its not really a case of not having the opportunity. Its there if you want it to be. Get some balls and go play these people.
And It works both ways. As my post said, nothing is more annoying than going on a field to play, and people walking off because chances are theyll get beat on. How boring for the other team!
edit - and also, first timers, probably arent the people you'd be scouting for anyway, so its kinda moot. but again using the example of myself and steeley etc (just because thats what I have experience of) we pretty much got in the dirt from day one.
And @ Rat. Use the ones that are available. Your bitching about not being feasible to travel to a site. well, then only more are going to shut. Ones arent going to open on your doorstep unfortuately. You need to use the existing infrastructure. if the site exists at penkridge, use that. The person who owns the site / pays the rent / owns the bunkers will set it up; you pay them a green fee, and then organise playing points against other people there. its not exactly rocket science.
I dont think an hour is that long to travel. Whats that sixty miles. even at 30mpg in a car, thats 4 gallons. £16 return. less if you car share.
D7s north suffered the fate of lack of attendance. How long til the next one?
I for one will go to the next nearest which is Rich harris' site off J13 on the M6.