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spangley_special

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Now this is better and more on topic, personally going off what the charges are i would say welcome to the real world with real everyday people. The country has been run by people who think they know better and think everything is all fine and dandy. Maybe a party made up of everyday common folk is the change we need.

The first case (bare in mind i have no idea what actually happened but can only speak from what i have can see on your post), people bottle glass stab hurt people every single day, its wrong but we are human with emotion. We as humans are naturally competitive and naturally violent its what has made us the top of the food chain in this cycle of earths life. To try and change the nature of the beast is in my mind wrong, evolve yes, change no. Football hooliganism personally i have no problem with it, i know a few, really nice guys for the most part but just like a good tare up in the street, personally i think this could be moreproductive if they got in a ring and fought it out with rules, everyone has a aggressive side to them, my opinion is if they are not hurting anyone other then their competitors then let them get on with it.

Second, so the guy tried to fiddle the benefit system, welcome again to the real world where millions or billions of £'s are fraudulently claimed, look at labour my best bet is they have claimed illegally as being proven right now 1000+x what that guy did, just in his case he was caught and had to give something back by the way of community service, there are loads of people in the real world that wouldnt have done that and would have not received a penalty as harsh (most get a telling off maybe a sanction and have to pay back a small amount at the most). As for combat 18 well it could be argued that this group was set up by our government (MI5 or whatever) to catch the extreme elements within the original national front, these people were employed as security to some part, so racist extremists from other places could not phsically attack a mp, no different to the body guards and ontorage that other mps have. The only difference with them is they chose to use the number 18 (for anyone that didnt know 1 being A and 8 being H for A Hitler), these people did not so much care who they bashed they just once again liked a good tare up.

Third, well we come to the issue of race once again and this argument will never be won regardless how its worded, i think the quote he said was bang on to be fair, everyone has a right to question and respond however they feel without as said before being branded racist. So lets look at it this way, is the guy automatically racist because he does not agree with the mainstream norm. Bare in mind not so long ago a group protected by our police whilst they changed racist and horrible remarks to our young men who serve this country risking everything so they have a right to a mosque and a right to healthcare. These people were not deamed racist these people were expressing their opinions and not charged with anything. So maybe ask yourself who indead these bias ways of thinking help? They dont help anyone. Because you may think differently to someone else doesnt mean you should target them or their way of thinking because everyone has the right to exist and think how they like.

I did like your post tho as it was about on topic :D

...so wait, your attempting to justify or excuse their behaviour!?

Do you really believe that any of that listed is acceptable?
 

newboy

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Bare in mind not so long ago a group protected by our police whilst they changed racist and horrible remarks to our young men who serve this country risking everything so they have a right to a mosque and a right to healthcare. These people were not deamed racist these people were expressing their opinions and not charged with anything.
I just had to quote you on that. It makes me so angry when I think back to that day. If anyone had shouted back at them "if you don't like this country then I would suggest you go back home" they they WOULD have been arrested. Fantastic example of political correctness gone insane!.:mad:
 

chrizwheatley

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Totally agree. Here in Hereford we have a local problem .Back in April a young local lad (Darren Loader) was beaten to death by two Eastern Europeans who really should never have been in this country in the first place (illegal immigrants).Now, out of the all the parties his friends could vote for, who do you think they will go for now? The BNP even leafleted at his funeral and signed some members on the spot( I don’t agree with that).The problem is, when you have local issues like this, who else is likely to ever get a vote?
I totally agree things like this is wrong and encourage people to think a diffent way by using trajedy and horrible acts as a propellant for a cause, just like it could also be said all partys target hardships, ohh we need better heathcare for eveyone (course we do its not rocket science and chances are we or someone close to us need this extra help or have lost somone because of in adiqucicys (no idea how to spell it lol) we have at the moment). Again we will all know someone who relies on the state to provide food for our children, so yeh lets milk this and turn it around to make ourselves look good in the public light. Lets say we are killing our planet and killing animals etc well of course we are, just some people try and hide it better, it does not matter which party you vote for they all promise to something that is close to the heart of people, infact they milk it in my opinion as it wins votes and helps them screw more penny out of hard workers so they can prance around in suits and drive nice cars.

So yeh i totally agree exploiting someone else misfortunes is wrong however you except it if you vote full stop, thats my opinion anyways :D
 

niallist

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Now this is better and more on topic, personally going off what the charges are i would say welcome to the real world with real everyday people. The country has been run by people who think they know better and think everything is all fine and dandy. Maybe a party made up of everyday common folk is the change we need.

"Everyday common folk" these are not, they are violent thugs. I agree that the professional politicians have a lot to answer for and that there should be more ordinary people involved in politics. Just not these ones.



The first case (bare in mind i have no idea what actually happened but can only speak from what i have can see on your post), people bottle glass stab hurt people every single day, its wrong but we are human with emotion. We as humans are naturally competitive and naturally violent its what has made us the top of the food chain in this cycle of earths life. To try and change the nature of the beast is in my mind wrong, evolve yes, change no. Football hooliganism personally i have no problem with it, i know a few, really nice guys for the most part but just like a good tare up in the street, personally i think this could be moreproductive if they got in a ring and fought it out with rules, everyone has a aggressive side to them, my opinion is if they are not hurting anyone other then their competitors then let them get on with it.

Using a glass as a weapon is indefensible. Football hooligans are another story entirely.



Second, so the guy tried to fiddle the benefit system, welcome again to the real world where millions or billions of £'s are fraudulently claimed, look at labour my best bet is they have claimed illegally as being proven right now 1000+x what that guy did, just in his case he was caught and had to give something back by the way of community service, there are loads of people in the real world that wouldnt have done that and would have not received a penalty as harsh (most get a telling off maybe a sanction and have to pay back a small amount at the most). As for combat 18 well it could be argued that this group was set up by our government (MI5 or whatever) to catch the extreme elements within the original national front, these people were employed as security to some part, so racist extremists from other places could not phsically attack a mp, no different to the body guards and ontorage that other mps have. The only difference with them is they chose to use the number 18 (for anyone that didnt know 1 being A and 8 being H for A Hitler), these people did not so much care who they bashed they just once again liked a good tare up.

Like you say lots of people do a little chicanery when it comes to benefits, I may even have done a little cash in hand when I last signed on (over 12 years ago). However not whilst getting paid as an elected representative. that's massively hypocritical. I offer no defence for the Labour and Conservative poiticians who have been fiddling expenses, they're crooks too.

C18 would have been infiltrated by MI5 but I'm not so sure they were set up by them.


Third, well we come to the issue of race once again and this argument will never be won regardless how its worded, i think the quote he said was bang on to be fair, everyone has a right to question and respond however they feel without as said before being branded racist. So lets look at it this way, is the guy automatically racist because he does not agree with the mainstream norm. Bare in mind not so long ago a group protected by our police whilst they changed racist and horrible remarks to our young men who serve this country risking everything so they have a right to a mosque and a right to healthcare. These people were not deamed racist these people were expressing their opinions and not charged with anything. So maybe ask yourself who indead these bias ways of thinking help? They dont help anyone. Because you may think differently to someone else doesnt mean you should target them or their way of thinking because everyone has the right to exist and think how they like.

My main point on the third one was that the Standards Board for England ruled that calling the BNP nazi was “within the normal and acceptable limits of political debate”.



I did like your post tho as it was about on topic :D


Thanks.
 

chrizwheatley

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...so wait, your attempting to justify or excuse their behaviour!?

Do you really believe that any of that listed is acceptable?
Not justifiable or acceptable, however i believe this is normal everyday behaviour regardless where you come from in the country. It happens everywhere and had these people not tried to promote a party then nobody would have even cared. :D
 

spangley_special

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Not justifiable or acceptable, however i believe this is normal everyday behaviour regardless where you come from in the country. It happens everywhere and had these people not tried to promote a party then nobody would have even cared. :D

Don't think anyone is under the impression that such people don't exist

But I'd hope that it'd be obviously clear to most, by their choice of lifestyle that they are incapable of the kind of educated and level headed judgement required to lead a country.

And as for it being everyday normal behaviour!? What kind of criminals do you consort with?
 

platoongod

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im not going into this one, but go to skynews.com watch the video on the bnp press officer , named "the doc" clearly saying on tape and then later admiting he said it "blacks are a threat, they under acheive and they take advantage of the benefits scheme and will probably mug you"

dont belive me? sky news.com check the video out - that alone! for a member of the bnp to say that should be reason alone! not to be backing this party...........shocking
 

niallist

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Oh yeah, I forgot, those idiots in Luton.

They are made of the same stuff as the far right extremists. Just a different form of fascism. Utter scum in my opinion.

As for the police, it's their job to keep the peace and I would imagine there was more than a couple of coppers there that would have quite happily let the angry crowd at 'em.
 

newboy

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im not going into this one, but go to skynews.com watch the video on the bnp press officer , named "the doc" clearly saying on tape and then later admiting he said it "blacks are a threat, they under acheive and they take advantage of the benefits scheme and will probably mug you"

dont belive me? sky news.com check the video out - that alone! for a member of the bnp to say that should be reason alone! not to be backing this party...........shocking

Link?

I thought Phil Edwards went back in 2007?
 
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