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I think a few of the posters here have a slightly skewed perception of what it takes to be an F1 champion. I have met a fair few of the modern and former racing greats through my current and previous employment and believe me they are extremely focused individuals. I'm sure Chris Hoy isn't arrogant enough to put his success all down to his own efforts though, I'm sure he credits the GB Cycling team with the majority of it, I'm sure Calzaghe would credit the team behind him with the success he has enjoyed too.

Schumacher, it has been said, would have excelled in any top level sport he had chosen to participate in, an incredibly focused individual, he could pedal any car you put him in to the best of its abilities.

I have met Hamilton only once, a fair few years ago, at the Autosport Awards, I think he was about to pick up the most promising newcomer award and was the youngest ever recipient. That was the night he told Ron Dennis he would like to drive for him some day, the rest, as they say, has been history. Lewis has shown, on the way up to F1 through the various formulae, that he can win in a car that is equal or close to the rest of the field and you don't get to drive in a top flight team unless you are a talented driver.

Extending the same arguments as put forward here how could any Soccer player deserve to win this award, surely the credit should go to the team, the same for Rugby, not to take anything away from those that have.
Ona, with no disrespect intended mate, I think it's you who is confused here.
I don't need to meet Hamilton to be able to correctly assess anything he does, or anybody else for that matter, I look at what they do when they perform, pure and simple.
And even if he was lucky enough to meet me, I still wouldn't change my opinion, I don't get starstruck or lose perspective.

By paralleling soccer with F1 and introducing the notion of 'team' accountability is meaningless mate, absolutely meaningless.
When a soccer player gets that ball at his feet, he is responsible for what he does, 100%.
He makes decisions, he executes, end of !

Mind you, your parallel might at least hold some water, if said player had a pair of boots that somehow kicked harder or ran faster than any other players, then you can draw that parallel, and then only.

You also seem to be confused it seems in another area and my reason for saying this is simple, you suggest that Hoy wouldn't be so arrogant as to put his efforts entirely down to himself and there would be some form of support infrastructure around him that somehow mitigates Hoy's on-track achievements.

I 100% agree he has pre-race support but what you seem to have omitted or ignored or maybe not even recognised is the fact that once out on the track, Hoy is on his own, independent of any 'support', his efforts are his alone.

His bike difference is insignificant and therefore Hoy can be rightfully judged on his input alone for that performance.
The same cannot be said for Hamilton when he drives that car, he is not independent of his support structure, and we ain't talking about something as trivial as real time coaching or anything like that, I am talking about a car that is quicker than the others regardless of who drives it.

There is an intrinsic superiority of that Mclaren that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the driver, if you try to deny this mate, you deny the truth of the matter, the same cannot be said of Hoy's bike !!!

If you need me to nail this where it CANNOT be argued, here goes:-

If you get all the F1 drivers and get all the F1 cars, construct a data table that includes each driver driving every car around any F1 track for 5 laps.

Compile the data, and we both know what will emerge from these reults...the Mclaren and Ferrari will top it, I doubt even your enthusiasm would dare to question this.
The fact there is a hierarchy involved immediately invalidates any notion of driver independence when performing.

Now, get all the bikes of Hoy's competitors and have them all ridden by all riders .....you know exactly where this is going Onasilverbike ........... and I think you also know the only conclusions that can be drawn from this comparative analysis, and I'm afraid any scientific (logical/rational) thinking person cannot conclude anything different mate.
 
I have met Hamilton only once, a fair few years ago,
Damn name droppers!!! :p

Not going to argue with anyone but Hamilton wouldnt of won if Ferrari had finished all the races. That was down to the car failing not the individual. So in my opinion the 2 Ferrari drivers are better than Hamilton as they would of won the title by a far greater score than 1 point. If Hamilton came 3rd, would he of got on the short list?
No disrespect to Hamilton, he is English so he gets the point, but that bird swimmer got my vote on the night, after all she had no car, no bike just her own talent!
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spredz bad argument :D hamilton had points docked for no reason .as for name dropping i won,t start can go right back too having a barbie with mansell and family .the be all and end all is if you don,t have the car your not going to win period.here,s 1 for you f1 buffs which car got banned from the f1 circus after practice for the british grand prix because it was 4 seconds a lap faster than anything else. answer the lotus 88 all the other teams put protests in ,who ever had been driving this would have won the championship by miles ,just proves the car and the team are a huge factor in f1;)
 
spredz bad argument :D hamilton had points docked for no reason .as for name dropping i won,t start can go right back too having a barbie with mansell and family .the be all and end all is if you don,t have the car your not going to win period.here,s 1 for you f1 buffs which car got banned from the f1 circus after practice for the british grand prix because it was 4 seconds a lap faster than anything else. answer the lotus 88 all the other teams put protests in ,who ever had been driving this would have won the championship by miles ,just proves the car and the team are a huge factor in f1;)
Dont get me wrong, Im a Hamilton supporter and I am glad he won as he is after all English and I dont like Ferrari!!!
And name dropping...... (Onaladysbike knows Im having a laugh) I plastered Mansells house just outside Exeter. There are a few more but I wont drop them Lol!
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they all deserved it. but i have to say i think those awards are useless. it doesnt really go by how well anyone done it obviously goes on who the public like the most. as with everything on tv, what the public want they get. obviously apart from being scammed by richard and judy on channel 4 lol