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Millennium Dates

Buddha 3

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why dont you worry about Malaga first, believe it or not 5 months is respectively in the paintball world a long time, do not generalize your business to paintball
And that's exactly what's wrong here. This attitude will sustain a very bad business ethics in paintball.

Oh, and FYI, paintball has been my business for quite a few years. And 5 months long in paintball? Sure, if you don't mind paying extra. Personally, I prefer an event that people not only took their time organising, rather than the usual ad-hoc management seen in paintball, but will also cost me less in the end. But that's just me, guess I'm crazy. :rolleyes:
 

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Just my opinion here, while I have no idea the complexities of booking a venue for paintball events, surely the fact that they won't confirm which country they are using is the main issue.

Now I know things can slip, fastballs/problems appear some times unexpectedly but not being able to narrow it down to which part of Europe your using is if not short sighted then highly inconsiderate to your customer base. Especially in the current economical situation.

So could we expect for 2010 the Millennium's dates to look like this?

Schedule for events- 5 events some where in Europe (to be confirmed when we can be bothered) dates TBC. :)
 

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Been there and done that.
And found it to be a lot less difficult than booking a venue for 5.000 people that want to party, half of whom will be high on XTC, while the other half will be either drunk, high on weed, or both. Many of whom will start fights.
But hey, guess what, I already have that venue booked for next year and the year after as well...
Paintball is NOT fundamentally different from other businesses.
The kind of venue you book for a paintball tournament is quite a bit different than where you're holding your raves, especially at the national level.

I can book a paintball tournament at a paintball field in about 10 minutes. Booking a paintball tournament at someplace like Disney, or the Home Depot Center, or Phoenix Stadium takes MONTHS the first time around. And it's sometimes not even possible to get firm dates until a few months in advance because you're 2nd priority to "real" events.

Or, put another way, you're probably paying the going rate for the building when you do your thing. Paintball tournaments are usually using facilities where ANYBODY ELSE using that facility instead would bring that facility more money.

A lot of players seem to think that booking venues is like booking hotel reservations, and it just isn't.
 

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Just my opinion here, while I have no idea the complexities of booking a venue for paintball events, surely the fact that they won't confirm which country they are using is the main issue.
There is a difference in not being able to and keeping your options open.

You might have a new venue you REALLY like in country A, then a venue that's really good in country B, and then a venue that is OK in both countries. Country B's venue is available whenever. But country A and B's venues are only available on the earlier date. So if you get one and not the other, you go to that country's great venue on the first date and the other country's other venue on the 2nd date.

You COULD just pick the countries further in advance, but then you'd be giving up the chance for a great venue.
 

Buddha 3

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The kind of venue you book for a paintball tournament is quite a bit different than where you're holding your raves, especially at the national level.

I can book a paintball tournament at a paintball field in about 10 minutes. Booking a paintball tournament at someplace like Disney, or the Home Depot Center, or Phoenix Stadium takes MONTHS the first time around. And it's sometimes not even possible to get firm dates until a few months in advance because you're 2nd priority to "real" events.

Or, put another way, you're probably paying the going rate for the building when you do your thing. Paintball tournaments are usually using facilities where ANYBODY ELSE using that facility instead would bring that facility more money.

A lot of players seem to think that booking venues is like booking hotel reservations, and it just isn't.
I never booked a field for a local tournament. Never had to, had one about two miles from the office. I'll give you a hint of what I'm talking about: What's the largest series in Europe? I'm sure you know the answer... I've been on the business end of the major leagues when you were still only doing the college thing, so a little less of the seasoned veteran attitude would be fitting.
It doesn't take months to book a venue for a large paintball event. It takes some people months to book a venue for a large paintball event. The only time consuming bit about it is finding a suitable location, but frankly, if you haven't found a suitable location yet, you shouldn't say you will have an event within 5 months. Common business sense. Being second choice, as you call it, is your own fault. We never were.

Truth be known, your attitude, of trying to make right what is wrong, is exactly what is f*cking over paintball. This whole "we are so different" argument is the biggest bunch of BS since somebody suggested the Somme would be a good place to launch an offensive. Paintball is no different from any other product in the events business, we only think it is and keep making things harder for ourselves than they need to be. Believe me when I say that people have more positive asociations with paintball than with the events I now do. People are usually put off when I describe the amount of security and even police presence that is usually required. Paintballers are like a bunch of kittens compared to that lot...

But, to be fair, I have also seen why some people have a hard time getting things done in a timely fashion, and that's because many (if not all) of the guys here in Europe, besides promoting an MS event, also have a (sometimes large) business to run. But then again, if you don't have the time to do something properly, get help. Which they tried, but to be honest, many (not all) of the people that I saw that were employed for that purpose, were total imcompetents. Ulrich being a very good example of this.

Paintball needs more businessmen and less paintballers...

PS I don't do raves. Raves suck. ;)
 

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Cancun Open

Just in from the PSP via email

2009 Cancun Open

Paintball Sports Promotions is pleased to announce our support of the 2009 Cancun Open presented by Mxball.

The event will be hosted by the Mxball League January 22nd-25th in Cancun, Mexico. Several divisions of Xball will be offered, from beginner to Open. PSP rules will be used with several PSP certified referees on hand for the competition. The APPA will be doing team registration for the event and all divisions will feature cash prizes for winning teams. The PSP staff is excited to head down, check out the event, and enjoy the world-class service and legendary fun of Cancun. See you there!

For more information about the 2009 Cancun Open please visit www.mxball3.com or email cancunqueries@mxball3.com
I'm sure some knew of this already, but for others its a bit shorter noice than even the MS. I quite fancy a trip to Cancun in January, somehow I think there may be some obstacles in the way.

No word yet on any collaboration between the PSP and the MS
 

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I'm wondering if booking locations in Europe is just different than booking in the US. Things just don't happen that fast here.