BPS question

[NitroBall]

I think what Nitro means is not using the on gun ROF counter, but using the refs chrono/rof counter.

In theory max rate of fire should kick in, but a good friend of mine was pulled at the masters last weekend. His ROF was capped on a Mini at 12bps, and I witnessed this the week previous when it didn't give any trouble, yet it still measured 15bps over the PACT chrono. Still doesn't know why one week it is fine and the next week without touching it, and keeping the same battery it fluctuated by such a margin.

Thanks Jim, thats what i tried to say, my english is never as good as my french.

The fact that players setting all there markers to 12bps or below, chronoing on field , some finding out the chronos are showing well above 15 bps , then having there team play with only 4 guns at the start gate, or a days ban for a player seems to be happening a lot.

Whats funny is that some players get chronoed on 1 field most of the day fine, then have problems with the chrono on another field.
Could this be down to user error, faulty equipment, or something within the marker itself ?

 

[Andygoth]

Wouldn't it be easier just to put the guns back to semi?

On my SL66 the ROF display seems not to know if the gun has fired at all. With no hopper and no gas, rattle the trigger and the ROF displays.

 

[Exile]

Wouldn't it be easier just to put the guns back to semi?

No, because true "semi" hasn't existed on our guns since they went electro - bounce/assist/whatever you call it was rampant (no pun intended) before legal ramping was introduced and going back to semi will only make everyone go back to hair-triggers, debounce 0 settings, cheat modes and either incomprehensibly complicated trigger/bounce tests, or zero gun checks and ludicrous gun speeds (20+ bps in semi, yeah right - jog on sunshine).

 

[Andygoth]

I don't play tournaments, I just like to watch them and I'm interested in the guns and tactics and technology.

When It takes half an hour to explain what the rules are for guns actually are and then another half hour to explain how they are tested, I kind of lose interest and look at shiney things.

It's like my dad trying to explain why a formula one cars engines have to last 2 races but the gearboxes have to last 4 races.

One trigger pull, one shot has to be easier to monitor than, this BPS, from this number of pulls, over this time limit, with this delay.

 

[Exile]

One trigger pull, one shot has to be easier to monitor than, this BPS, from this number of pulls, over this time limit, with this delay.

Except that if you say that about semi on an electro, you are lying

Why not just say the guns are limited to 12bps and watch the game? Nobody watching who doesn't play really needs to know the rulebook inside-out anyway, just let them enjoy the play.

 

[Russell Smith]

The problem players are seeing is not to do with the gun, it is to do with the sort of test equipment they use.

The test equipment of choice for the last couple of years was the Pact sports timer http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=790260&utm_source=

You will see it is in essence a sophisticated timer that counts a noise signature (the bang!) and works out the delay between shots or the complete string tested.

There are a few others that have entered the market place that also use similar technology.

The problem is not all guns exhibit a similar noise signature and some test units count more than has been shot.
The also have difficulty counting shots from markers that have a quiet barrel noise signature, IE: the Dye DM range.

The Pact timer is undoubtedly the best available using sound technology but is not without any inherent weakness.

The only way of correctly checking how many balls per second is actually being shot is to count them (the balls themselves) not the noise the gun makes.

That can easily be achieved by using chronographs that use Doppler radar technology that counts the balls and is not effected by any noise, they are available but not widely used.
If your days paintball is dependant on your gun meeting particular guns regulations, make sure the test equipment used counts the balls leaving the gun - not any random noise around it.

http://www.paintballradar.com/


I have noticed a lot of this thread mentions Ego's I can tell you all this the PA have tested most guns out there and with a good hopper and batteries
Ego's have absolutely no problem shooting exactly as the regulations tell them to shot, just like all the rest


Russ

 

[evoonline]

heya russ. any chance there will be a pact timer which can be used on saturday to test for bps? (at the PA ofc) i do believe Mean Machine will be down saturday night for a BBQ and i'll be down with PJ from Phoenix again so would like to ensure all is good with my marker before running around like a headless chicken on the sunday morning

cheers

 

[Russell Smith]

On my SL66 the ROF display seems not to know if the gun has fired at all. With no hopper and no gas, rattle the trigger and the ROF displays.

Because that is how it counts how many times the board on the gun has been asked to fire.

And I think you would have to turn the eyes off first before it it would start to count.

Russ

 

[Russell Smith]

heya russ. any chance there will be a pact timer which can be used on saturday to test for bps? (at the PA ofc) i do believe Mean Machine will be down saturday night for a BBQ and i'll be down with PJ from Phoenix again so would like to ensure all is good with my marker before running around like a headless chicken on the sunday morning

cheers

We no longer use a PACT timer we use the Radarchron, I could loan you one on the Saturday.

Russ

 

[evoonline]

if you dont mind russ. would only need it for like 2mins. just wanna ensure all is as it should be with my ego (sorry for thread jacking)