Welcome To P8ntballer.com
The Home Of European Paintball
Sign Up & Join In

Bottle Blows Up

Well,

We need to be happy that Nige is ok! The day went horribly wrong!

The Stako bottle will under go tests to find out what happened.

There is no point of guessing what caused this. We need to find the reason...and deal with it! I personally doubt that an experienced player as Nige...(who's kit is always 100%) would put any form of lubricant on his reg.

What stands out today is the way WE paintballers did react and deal with what happened on site.

Kitch, you done a good job and acting correctly by defusing the dangerous situation.

Team Captains....respect to you and your teams for everything that has been said and done.


Leave the rest to the "right" people!

I spoke to people involved with the "STAKO ISSUE" and they will address this properly.

As soon as I know more I am happy to share the information!











Seperate note: Who ever packed my EGO 06...please give it back!
 

JTD1993

Platinum Member
Jun 19, 2007
1,109
0
0
31
Chatham, Medway, Kent, UK.
Quuite like the sound of someone else filling my bottle.. Not being lazy, I just understand the consequences of high pressure air, and probably don't even know the full extent of it which makes it worse so I don't care what people think about me when I asked several hundred more questions than the others on site...

Also, get well soon Nige :)


Joe
 

onasilverbike

I'm a country member!
OMG....you never learn :eek:
C'mon Oli, use of :rolleyes: denotes sarcasm, I and most people are well aware of the good relationship Nigel enjoys with Nicky and the rest of the Planet crew, and that Nige is as qualified as anybody to work on an Ego. I'm also fairly sure that he won't be offended by my post and will see it for the levity it was supposed to be.

Though I wholeheartedly agree with youe previous post, at least there is some common ground we have.
 

darren maskell

The Ghandi Man
Jul 17, 2003
392
0
26
lincolnshire
www.p8ntballer-forums.com
Am i all ways the last to hear things glad to hear your ok Nige but lets find out what happend as soon as poss as we dont want another acceident. Ive had my stako since they were first brought out and i dont no what reg is on it but my fill nipple was leaking last week and i tried to get a new one but the standard one on the reg was a different size anyone no what sort of reg this may be as this has made me think.All i no is its all black and has no name on it please pm me iff anyone knows what type of reg this is. thanks Ghandi.
 

H_PAC

Member
Jan 27, 2004
27
0
11
Visit site
Bottle Failure

Hi Guys,
first of all we are glad nobody was seriously injured, as being the first Company to bring self fill to the paintball world approx 8 years ago and supplying air to both Milleniums and domestic events and having supplied an estimated 2.5 million fills over the years with only one incident in which we found the can of oil that was used to lubricate the reg we have some knowledge and have carried out tests that even the cylinder manufactures havent done.
First of all this is 99% certain to be a cylinder fire given the details posted, to caused a fire you need 3 things, something to burn ie oil vapour, oil residue, grease etc,
2nd you need ignition, in this case compressing oil as air pressure within cylinder causes a temperature rise, simple physics look how a diesel engine works on the same principal,
3rd you need oxygen, you put 20-22% o2 (normal air into you cylinders)
if any element is missing it will not burn,
Stako cylinders have passed the stringent TUV approval tests and i have a copy of their results in my office, whilst they have there own issues i feel they should not be blamed as yet untill they are found to be faulty.
Did you realise that on a stako it is marked with the standard of air to be used to fill it, its breathing air standard, how many air suppliers test there air, we do as our compressors are also used in the aerospace and diving industry and a certificate of purity is carried to every event along with public insurance details.
Anybody who has played a Millenium over the last few years would have had to sign a confirmation sheet stating that they understand the principal of using high pressure air and the dangers before there cylinder is checked to be correct standard and within its test date prior to being allowed to fill.
It sounds like the cylinder did not fail but the reg was burnt out as in the previous incidents, both reg and cylinder are probaly to the correct standards but were never designed to withstand the instant pressure increases seen in a internal fire situation so something had to give.
We were accused by a manufacturer of flash filling with the fill rigs suppied by Bauer a couple of years ago so we decided to prove our equipment was not to blame and got 10k worth of data logging equipment and proceeded to carry out tests. we filled a 1.1 from empty to 4500 in 15 seconds with no inline reg ir fill nipple to impede the flow and fille 2000-4500 every 5 minutes to try and achieve a shell temperature above whats stated by the leading manufacturers (stako temperature is lower than everbody elses 50 deg C ) the maximum temp we had was 42 deg C peak on initial fill, it proved the fill rigs we use fill within recommended temperatures,
We have the reports to back our findings, what im saying is there are rigs that can flash fill and you wouldnt even realise, at the end of the day we need to ascertain where the combustiable material came from, im sure the DFT and HSE will carry out there tests, what we all need to do is calm down and wait for the results, air suppiers carry out there checks and supply air to the correct standard via safe fill stations to eliminate any possibility of flash fills and contamination and player to maitain there kit and torque the regs up to correct setting when fitting (i have never seen this done outside our test house except at Delta Force) overtightening can cause failure between neck and liner on stakos for instance, why not fit a new fill nipple instead of fileing the bures off and complaining when the fill whip comes off.
In this day and age of no win no fee claim policy surely you should have liability insurance to cover little johnny when he gets hurt from your cylinder are reg failure whilst standing next to you, the UKPSF can supply this for a small fee and your covered, my insurance as a supplier covers up to the end of the fill whip and if you fill you are liable from there onwards, i know my rigs are as safe as possible and have spent many thousands of pounds making them so.
Believe me i want our sport to grow but safely and we all need to increase our awareness if the dangers of the equipment we use.
I have people ring me to say they have played at events and never had a cylinder check and couldnt find an operator when they have a problem so air suppliers need to get there act together as well and if you the players dont like what you are getting for your money complain and the organiser will have to supply what you want, on the other hand take responsabilty for your own kit and ensure you have the relevant training and knowledge to work on it.
Ive had enough of moaning, did you realise the explosive energy in a failing 1.1 was equivelant to 1/2 kilo of semtex and a cylinder is designed to fragment into no more than 3 pieces to pass design tests, we have taken stackos to 500 bar on test.
Play safe.

regards

Trevor

H-PAC Services Ltd

Insist on the best in the business, you only have one life.