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[impamiizgraa]

I know this is slightly off the point, but with Mark saying a "show" should be put on again, it kinda just popped into my head.

The Millennium don't spend enough time or money on making the CPL/SPL fields decent. Simple things sometimes (not always) go a miss...technical difficulties with the scoreboard mean spectators can lose track of points. Problems with netting in front of the spectator area, etc.
How about a big screen for quick action-replay's between points?
More advertising to increase spectators (rather than player-spectators) is also likely to heighten the atmosphere. This would also mean the locations would have to be easily accessible not just by those competing, but by the general public and players coming to watch. Who really wants to travel into Crystal Palace or out to the Nuremburgring if they only have a passing interest?
Disneyland Paris is a great location (although perhaps the average age of the public is a little too young ) ...but there's very little advertisement, you follow little laminated bits of paper to the event. Why not have banners and posters up?

If non-player attendance does increase, why not set up a small sup'air field for a "give it a go" kinda thing?

Finally, increase the prizes...if more was spent on advertising/marketing, more people would come, the big sponsors may see it as beneficial to invest more, allowing the value of cash prizes to increase. In turn this would act as an incentive for more teams to compete...

Kinda went on a bit - and all points may not be feasable or maybe not even relavant...
But hey

Sam

 

[Robbo]

Maybe my words came across in a way that was more argumentative than they were meant. I merely wanted to express that, in my opinion, this question was tainted with more than just a subtle curiosity on your part. It is hard to imagine that someone in your position, and with your track record on certain issues, would just post up a question like this without a) Already knowing what the vast majority are going to say and b)without having a secondary argument already lined up.

It would appear that as this thread has progressed, we are beginning to see the true reasons behind it. As people are proving, they are more interested in single, one off events at the cost of overall series contentions. There are a very select few who take the mill series seriously, and these can be found across the levels. But it is clear (and i think you knew this) that people play them for the experience and not the progression they may or may not offer.

This echoes a previous argument you made, where you mentioned ( i hope i have this right) that there are not many true tournament ballers out there. In the UK scene in particular you believed that the majority were rec ballers caught up in the wrong part of our sport. This thread seems to be the next step to that argument. People are playing the leagues for the wrong reasons and the millennium havent grasped this.

This thread is beginning to show people play for the event experience and not the series standings at the end of the year. I think you already knew this when you posted up the question.

I also believe that there is a secondary part that follows from this. Those that do want to take it seriously should still have the opportunity to do so. By opening up the leagues to a series of single events where the leagues are no longer locked, the yanks would be able (if financially possible) to come over and play. This would cement your argument about needing the yanks to come over and allow it to happen.


You have already called for certain people to use their contacts and make this kind of event happen, using the positive feed back you have generated from this thread. To me, in my opinion, this highlights the fact that you were a few steps ahead of your own argument when you posted this up. Otherwise, as mentioned, why would a poll not have sufficed. I am not calling you a liar, i just do not accept some of what you have said as the whole truth.

When I first read your post i was gonna cyber-kick your head in for suggesting I had deceived people which I most certainly did not, and for the life of me, i couldn't work out why you said I had.
I took a deep breath and read it again and talked to a few people and so..I am gonna try and give you the benefit of the doubt here.
As I have said many times before in well over 6000 potsts, i won't ever lie or decieve you guys in anything I write; now, you carefully gift wrapped up your accusations in tihis last post but you still maintain I had not told the whole truth ..which in my book, still means deceived.

Hermitt...I would have thought my track record on here over the past lord knows how many years might have allowed you to give me the benefit of any doubt before you posted that accusation...self-evidently, it did not.

And you didn't have the couretsy to believe me even after I had qualified myself in subsequent posts... I gotta say, I found that quite insulting.
As for Nick and Freddie, I just took it at face value and filed it under, 'Normal Sh!t'.

As to why you would still suggest I had deceived? Who knows, maybe you wanted attention, maybe you just fancied a pop at me or maybe even you really did feel I had deceived you in which case, i will ask again, why no benefit of the doubt bearing in mind my track record on here ????

There was no agenda in my initial post other than what you have imagined or supposed, I 100% realise I am in a position whereby that might be hard to believe, esepcially when you may consider some of the things I have been involved in and the people I talk to but..I swear on my kids life all I had was a transient curiosity and everything else that has been tagged on has been from others and not myself.

If you infer, even slightly after this that I have decieved, then me and you are gonna have a real problem.

I really didn't know how it would all come out when i asked that initial question, I suppose I did suspect some people would like an event such as the one i proposed but I honestly did not have a good handle on how Joe Average baller might view an extra expense (the proposed event).

I am glad I did ask because far from what Nick or Freddie might suggest, the question didn't need any qulaifying and stood on its own merits.
How you interpeet the answers is another thing but make no mistake Hermitt, I had no agendas other than curiosity regradless of what you may think.

 

[HERMITT]

If that is true, and I will accept that it is. Then, having heard the response of Joe Baller, where would you suggest the future of major events lies?

When I started out, the mill series was a grouping of single events that held out the excitement and variety that each different country bought to the table.It has changed, but it would appear that it may not be for the better of the majority of players.

I dont have an agenda and certainly wasnt having a pop. My take was, as it always has been, that it is hard to see any posting from people in your position as innocent. That may be a sad reflection of where we are, but it is just the way i feel. In our sport, there has always been an agenda attached to everything. People have politics and this has been what has plagued our sport for as long as i can remember. As a result i will always view these kind of posts with a suspicion i feel they deserve.

As for trying to raise my profile, this is the first thread i have posted in that hasnt been killed stone dead. So i think my reputation is better left well alone.

At the end of all of this, i am still left wondering what will come of the 6 pages of answers and where this takes us from here?

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

I am glad I did ask because far from what Nick or Freddie might suggest, the question didn't need any qulaifying and stood on its own merits.

Pete:

I honestly think you have completely misunderstood what I tried to say in this thread - and at the very least, the spirit in which it was said.

As I wrote a few weeks back, it is frustrating to no end, that you always choose to get pissed off about what I view as friendly and intellectual discourse.... and I now see that behaviour extented to others as well.

I dunno why it is that when I post something that - in my mind - was not in the least confrontational - that you still view it as such.

I have just read through my posts in this thread - and I fail to see where it is I have communicated in a way to provoke anger?

I don't understand your thinking - and I don't understand why it is that you get pissed off at me for posting my oppinion in a polite and calm manner - when many others have, without you reacting in that way.

I also don't understand why you would go off the deep end at my sister, who wrote quite nicely and politely, until you started with what I can only describe as a verbal bashing?... I particularly find it distasteful directed at the weaker sex, and quite lacking in upbringing.... but hey, maybe it is a cultural difference I do not understand.

I also don't understand why Hermit asking what to ME seems like an innocent question - and him politely asking for you to elaborate - makes you write such a confrontational response?

To be quite honest with you, I think you are extremely intelligent and capable in many areas - but I also think you have a mental block, that does not allow you to be courteous to people that dare to disagree with you - even if they do so in a polite manner.

It seems that if you cannot have things EXACTLY the way you want them - people are just idiots and deserve no better than ridicule and anger.

I quite expect this post to result in a ban from this site, and honestly I no longer care.... the way you acted towards my sister is well outside what I would call common courtesy.

Nick

 

[booga]

Well, speaking as a member of a team that is committed to playing every MS event this season I'd have to say it would depend on timing and costs.
Speaking as an individual, hell yeah, I'd to see such an event organised, I used to love clashing with the likes of Lockout, Avalanche and Dynasty.

I think I can understand why Pete is getting a bit frustrated with this.
It's a bit like me asking the misses if she wants a cup of tea only to be met with a barrage of questions such as 'will it be in a cup or mug, is it PG or Twinnings, is it with full fat, semi or skimmed milk etc.

Just take the question for what it is, not what you'd like it to be and I'm sure everyone will get along just fine.

 

[Missy-Q]

I particularly find it distasteful directed at the weaker sex, Nick

Say Wha?
Oh no he di-ent!!

 

[shamu]

Malaga has been mentioned a couple of times but I don't think the actual location is that important, as long as the atmosphere is right. Maybe Pete and Missy should convince Magued to restart the Joy Masters as a special one-off event. I bet that would have the right atmosphere

 

[rancid]

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown

"I particularly find it distasteful directed at the weaker sex".... Jesus, Nick. With that kind of brotherly support, who needs Robbo grimacing and gurning. That statement would get you sacked from any company working in the western hemisphere. U know, sometimes I just wonder if the confusion comes from English usage.

Hermitt? cant see anything wrong with how things are worded? Well, crikey I can. Let me ask you guys, since when has Robbo needed to subtley go round the houses to get his plan in action? Why drape it in mystery, when he could come out with a statement beginining 'I think...'

I'd go a bit do-lally as well if someone wouldnt believe me. Anyhow, Im also sure that Hermitt didnt mean to dig anyone out, and I can see why I too would be sat there wondering if something was going on behind the scenes.

Robbo's comments re Freddie... I aint speaking for him, but he knows you arent connected at the hip. Mind you, it seems amazing that every thread I read with Robbo on you both seem to appear.

As for the subject.... leagues are shte In the glory days, we all made our pilgrimmage to mayhem with the hope... the real strong, stinking hope... that we may draw Aftershock, or Ironmen, or AAs or jesus even the Muffs and that, in my opinion, is what made the festival fantastic and the hype uncontrollable. Not the life-sapping, will-busting, pick-pocketing drudgery of a league system where only three teams can win and for the last four events I'm there soley to make up the numbers.

But hey, I am a realist you know.

 

[Robbo]

Nick, if I wanted, I could literally destroy your post above, I really could make you look the fool that you are, but you know what Nick?
You ain't worth it, you ain't worth another second of my time .......

 

[Missy-Q]

I like this thread now, anything that gets the Chewd out of mothballs is fine by me. Good to see you make an appearance my old pal. Hope all is well with you. Love the Cantona twist, truly inspirational.