UK Teams and NPPL...

[cookie_834]

anyone apart from sid actualy play this event?

NK got ripped to shreds, not by the teams ( we lost one fair and square ) but by the marshals.

they just didnt like us. they would call the worst calls you have ever seen, then at the end admit they were wrong and still not learn from it

im sure the rest of the uk teams will back me up here. the U.S teams aint that much better, they just have the marshalls on their side. we got to train against Naughty by Nature a Div 1 team with 2 Ironmen guesting and we took them down to 2 or 3 everytime. there is just nothing you can do against marshalls that dont even know what theyre doing.

to sum it up we had one game were a player had his i.d taken off him. one marshal came up and said to give it back because it wasnt a fair call to take it. in the end they ended up getting out the rule book to find out what to do....

 

[Baca Loco]

I think a serious UK Div1 team could win NPPL Div3, I think they could compete and maybe make Sunday club in Div2 and I think they could compete but maybe just and no more in Div1......BUT in your honest opinion do we have any SERIOUS UK Div1 teams that would be willing and able to go out there and win an NPPL? I also think that sending a team across for one event would be a good experience, BUT if you wanted to actually go out there and win an event you would have to play the series. US teams play different from us, but in terms of actual individual skill, there is not much difference. They just play the game in a different manner, we found this out, they will sit and wait for it rather than being aggressive.

Right....going to bed....!!!!

Sid

No disrespect intended but I have a couple of questions, Sid. Nothing to do with The Clan but in the bigger scope of things how can a serious D1 team even consider playing D3 and if the best odds you're giving a serious UK D1 team is perhaps playing Sunday in D2 aren't you in fact saying there IS a significant difference?
In playing D3 with a bracket of around 140 teams you likely played more than one team that were in their first NPPL too and the quality and style of play in D3 does not carry thru the divisions as a general rule.

I'm not saying your assessment of your team's result is wrong but I'm having a hard time reconciling the idea of things being closer to equal than usually assumed except with D1 teams competing in D3.

On the plus side the little bit of a sample I've seen--the Intercontinental Cup kids and Joy--suggest to me that at the Pro level at least the differences aren't great and that individual players are more than capable of competing straight up.

PS--next time don't let the refs push you around. Once the schedule goes to hell the best way to handle it is to send somebody to your next field and explain the situation--we just walked off Field A and will be here asap--and if they play hard call Dave immediately and raise hell before you walk onto the field. Most crews understand and will play around games in those situations.

 

[MTA]

i give it up to the teams that when out there .

i hope it leads the way for other teams to get there heads down and train hard so we can go across the pond and play and make the sunday club.

but the UK nad the US have two tottaly diffrent styles of play as when i had a mate come to stay at mine he played and hes never played on a feail that has grass on it, and most UK players have not played on turf so abit diffrent .

 

[ego]

The U.S teams aint that much better, they just have the marshalls on their side. we got to train against Naughty by Nature a Div 1 team with 2 Ironmen guesting and we took them down to 2 or 3 everytime. there is just nothing you can do against marshalls that dont even know what theyre doing.

That just sums it up.
Plus we played a div 2 team and we smashed them everytime....




Do the maths

 

[Baca Loco]

anyone apart from sid actualy play this event?

NK got ripped to shreds, not by the teams ( we lost one fair and square ) but by the marshals.

they just didnt like us. they would call the worst calls you have ever seen, then at the end admit they were wrong and still not learn from it

im sure the rest of the uk teams will back me up here. the U.S teams aint that much better, they just have the marshalls on their side. we got to train against Naughty by Nature a Div 1 team with 2 Ironmen guesting and we took them down to 2 or 3 everytime. there is just nothing you can do against marshalls that dont even know what theyre doing.

to sum it up we had one game were a player had his i.d taken off him. one marshal came up and said to give it back because it wasnt a fair call to take it. in the end they ended up getting out the rule book to find out what to do....

This is likely to be viewed as offensive and perhaps it is and I know y'all love NK but I'm really doing you a favor. So here goes--

It's a loser's attitude to cast blame elsewhere (even if it's true). It ends up being an excuse for failure. Chances of incompetent refs? Pretty good I'd say. Refs intentionally out to screw a D3 Brit team on purpose? Nobody cares about anybody in D3.
The results of practice are totally and completely irrelevant to anything. Lots of things happen in practice. To hear peeps talk everybody is brilliant in practice. They don't award trophies for practice.
If you don't know the rules any better than the worst of the refs you deserve what you get. There must be at least one guy on the team who actually knows ALL the rules specifically for instances like that.

If all you "learned" was everyone is out to get you you might as well stay home next time.

 

[markfenton]

This is likely to be viewed as offensive and perhaps it is and I know y'all love NK but I'm really doing you a favor. So here goes--

It's a loser's attitude to cast blame elsewhere (even if it's true). It ends up being an excuse for failure. Chances of incompetent refs? Pretty good I'd say. Refs intentionally out to screw a D3 Brit team on purpose? Nobody cares about anybody in D3.
The results of practice are totally and completely irrelevant to anything. Lots of things happen in practice. To hear peeps talk everybody is brilliant in practice. They don't award trophies for practice.
If you don't know the rules any better than the worst of the refs you deserve what you get. There must be at least one guy on the team who actually knows ALL the rules specifically for instances like that.

If all you "learned" was everyone is out to get you you might as well stay home next time.

Well Congrats to all the UK teams that went out, but in NK's defence that is the 1st ever 7 man tournement they have played.

Also in the NPPL itself, not training. I reviewed the scoreboard and they were getting beat but taking high body counts with them, so for a team that has only been together 9 months and only played 3 legs M5 I think they done pretty well. Marseille it was Team Smartparts, then in Bitburg it changed to Notorious, but only Connor is still in the squad, everyone else was new for madrid, paris and london.

So I think a M5 winning team can go out and do damage state side and with 6 months more training playing 7 man they could get alot further, a Div 1 team from the Uk should be able to get to Sunday in Div 2 in the NPPL.

But all in all, what do people class as a DIV 1 team in the UK?
If a UK team plays Div 1 in any UK based League I dont class it as a DIV 1 team.

Millennium Div1 now (SPL) then we are talking, so taking that into acount the only DIV 1 teams we have in the UK are (within the top 20):

Stealers
Disruption

High Div 2
Stealers Am

Sorry if this offends anyone but its just my opinion.

 

[Sid_Clan]

No disrespect intended but I have a couple of questions, Sid. Nothing to do with The Clan but in the bigger scope of things how can a serious D1 team even consider playing D3 and if the best odds you're giving a serious UK D1 team is perhaps playing Sunday in D2 aren't you in fact saying there IS a significant difference?
In playing D3 with a bracket of around 140 teams you likely played more than one team that were in their first NPPL too and the quality and style of play in D3 does not carry thru the divisions as a general rule.

I'm not saying your assessment of your team's result is wrong but I'm having a hard time reconciling the idea of things being closer to equal than usually assumed except with D1 teams competing in D3.

On the plus side the little bit of a sample I've seen--the Intercontinental Cup kids and Joy--suggest to me that at the Pro level at least the differences aren't great and that individual players are more than capable of competing straight up.

PS--next time don't let the refs push you around. Once the schedule goes to hell the best way to handle it is to send somebody to your next field and explain the situation--we just walked off Field A and will be here asap--and if they play hard call Dave immediately and raise hell before you walk onto the field. Most crews understand and will play around games in those situations.

Ah, now here is the thing Baco, as you rightly say D3 has what 140 teams ranging from new to well experienced, there are more teams in D3 of the NPPL than there is in the entire UK circuit. Now I never said the UK teams were on a level par with US across the board as we all know thats not the case, what I'm saying is that D3/D2 is where a serious Div1 UK team(Not Millennium) could compete. And maybe just maybe with the right attitude and work rate make it up the Divs. You see what I'm saying?

So as there is no confusion I'm not saying US and UK teams are on an equal par, I'm saying a Div1 Team UK = Div 3/2 Team US.

As for the refs, yeah tried that mate, but all they heard was some scary Scottish guy growling at them....

Sid

 

[Baca Loco]

As for the refs, yeah tried that mate, but all they heard was some scary Scottish guy growling at them....

Sid

Next time try English.

Despite the struggles I hope you guys enjoyed it. Rumor says Boston in July.

 

[balf]

As for the refs, yeah tried that mate, but all they heard was some scary Scottish guy growling at them....

Sid

just hope they had beer to calm you guys down...or maybe irn bru...mmmm irn bru

no-one like scots growling at them


balfanater

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

But all in all, what do people class as a DIV 1 team in the UK?
If a UK team plays Div 1 in any UK based League I dont class it as a DIV 1 team.

Millennium Div1 now (SPL) then we are talking, so taking that into acount the only DIV 1 teams we have in the UK are (within the top 20):

NPPL have Semi-Pro - MS have SPL - same thing.

So, Div. 1 should be Div. 1 - why else have the divisions at all?

If you go across and play NPPL or PSP - I simply don't get stepping down a division, unless you are there to have a good time, rather than to compete against the best in your own division.

Nick