Millennium entry fee up xx%

[Robbo]

The Millennium Series has been a UK Limited company since 2001.

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/9b6821f28da65c1cc2709169388ebe05/compdetails

I'm not absolutely sure here but I think this has changed and the company that runs the show isn't the one listed.
A new company was formed some time ago I think but as to the nature and responsibilities? .... not too sure about that.

 

[dragan]

I´m not sure what goes for UK, but in most countries VAT is excluded from sport events.

 

[Chicago]

Maybe something changed in the past few years, but when I lived in Europe, VAT was included in all the prices.

So seems like just a price increase to me. Although the point about entry fees formerly going to the promoters and now going to the league so the league has to collect taxes appears to be a possibly valid one.


Either way, you get the same thing as you got before: Tournaments to play. If you think the price is too high, don't pay it, or start your own league. Welcome to free enterprise.

 

[Chicago]

But then again, you guys are just gonna get steamrollered over with it all coz you couldn't be bothered to organise yourselves into any form of coherent team and / or player representation and so in this sense, you are gonna reap what you sow.

I don't really see this. The difference in effort between organizing a coherent team/player organization and organizing a tournament promotions company is small. That's why there's no coherent team/player organization - anyone who might put in the work to put one together might as well put together a tournament promotions company instead.

Team/player representation only makes sense when there's enough money floating around to fight over - when people are getting big money to play. Paintball isn't even close to that point yet. You go through all the trouble of forming a player's organization and you'll save, what, a hundred pounds per player per year? Maybe? It's not worth the bother when you could put in the same effort and just run a league yourself.

 

[pat]

Just say your from ..... sunny jersey and tell them to pay there own F##kin vat and tax


rich take no **** .......ching

 

[Buddha 3]

That isn't the point Jay

It is that the teams that are incorporated could have claimed the VAT last year OR the MS didn't pay VAT last year.

Also, it is pure stupidity to expect the teams to just accept a 17,5 % increase in entry fees - whay exactly do we get for our money?

Nick

Duh, I know that Nick. I was just responding to some of the remarks here, people thinking they don't have to pay VAT abroad...

An interesting point brought up was the not having to pay VAT for sporting events, I have no idea that is the case in the UK (or my own country for that matter), but I doubt it's relevant. I get a sneaky feeling that a tax collector would look at an MS event as us just purchasing services. After all, sports events are organised along certain guidelines, by recognised official bodies.
Do we have that? Haha! Like hell we do.

 

[Sid_Clan]

Only if they turn over more than a specified amount of £61,000 for the year which I would think is easily achieved.

Your right with the turnover thing mate, but....heres the thing, does this mean Mill have not hit that threshold over the last X years and now they have...hhmmm....

To me, adding VAT on top of entry sounds a but dodgy, in 99.9% of paintball business VAT is already included in the price, so it is £100 to play then VAT is included, or else it would be £117.50....

Does this also mean teams will now pay different entry fees dependent on where they are from??

Sid

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Team/player representation only makes sense when there's enough money floating around to fight over

A paintball team - even in the lowest division - has a greater expenditure in a year than an average blue collar family.... so you might as well say workers unions are a bad idea

Nick

 

[Baca Loco]

I don't really see this. The difference in effort between organizing a coherent team/player organization and organizing a tournament promotions company is small. That's why there's no coherent team/player organization - anyone who might put in the work to put one together might as well put together a tournament promotions company instead.

Team/player representation only makes sense when there's enough money floating around to fight over - when people are getting big money to play. Paintball isn't even close to that point yet. You go through all the trouble of forming a player's organization and you'll save, what, a hundred pounds per player per year? Maybe? It's not worth the bother when you could put in the same effort and just run a league yourself.

Not altogether on topic but .. here I go anyway.
Couple of things: even if all things were otherwise equal between organizing and promoting events and organizing players and teams the critical factor you're leaving out is the risk (and potential reward.)
Even so, there have been individuals playing in the MS prepared to do the work part of the equation and they have always been met with abject apathy from the very people they would have served.

Additionally prior to the split there was an effort to organize that was never fulfilled but in its short existence shook things up considerably. (When Strange was Am B--)

Bottom line, there is potential for a players org that could have a meaningful place in the MS without a tremendous amount of work--despite the Chi-town pronouncement.

 

[Chicago]

A paintball team - even in the lowest division - has a greater expenditure in a year than an average blue collar family.... so you might as well say workers unions are a bad idea

Workers unions sometimes ARE a bad idea - unless you're a union boss.

But they're helped by economy of scale. If there were THOUSANDS of paintball teams playing Millenium, you might have a case, but there arn't.