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Which site/company in YOUR opinion, has the worst reputation


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KitsuneAndy

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Another update for ya Gups...

IPG have now taken to walking around the local Uni (UEA), getting someone to let them into the flats, then going door to door selling their rip-off **** to students, without showing them the small print (which states the extra charges...), and they're still telling people they own the Combat Paintball site in Thetford.

Are they working for Combat or is it solely Delta Force that they canvass for? These guys are starting to piss me off now! Can you let us know whats going on? :)
Complain to the Uni and/or SU, when I was at UEA it was against their rules for sales people to gain access to the corridors. They were only allowed to put things up in the entrance halls.

The tickets they sell can be used at Combat Paintball, they came to that agreement last time they were in Norwich after several people complained about them not having a local site.

Some of them attacked me in Castle Mall the other day and I let them give me the sales speech and to be fair, they didn't 'lie' in it, just gave the usual sales patter, so wasn't really misleading. They did tell me that the first 100 paintballs would be £10. I just cringe when they say "your first 100 paintballs will be a tenner, and then for the rest of the day you get them at half price" when we all know, you pay double for the first 100, then they go back to the regular site price.
 
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I just added my vote. Got to tell ya about my experience with DF ... I was asked to join a works trip playing at the DF site in Shoreham Kent before the council closed it down. To cut a long story short the paint was the worst I have ever seen, ever ! Rotting mush. I was getting 2 breaks in 3. And that was after I had coughed up the crazy fee for a box of 2000. Anyway, couldn't use my own anti-syphoned 20oz bottle on my Inferno (why ?), so had to se a site bottle, which meant massive plumes and probably super velocity shots (which couldn't have helped with the bursts either). Anyway, at the start of the day although I had paid full price even though I was using my own gun and mask, I was told I had to pay £2.50 for a gas fill (in a DF bottle). Why I asked - that does not seem right, since I have already paid the full hire cost which includes gas all day. I was told I could like it or lump it. So I paid. Bottle was maybe half full - managed a few hundred shots and the bottle was empty - so I asked for another bottle - guess what - yup - another £2.50. I paid up again. A few hundred shots later and it is the last game of the day and I'm out of gas again, so I ask if I can have a couple of ounces of gas just to get me through the last game. You guessed it - that'll be another £2.50. I diplomatically argued my point and said that I felt pretty hard done by, and only wanted the oppurtunity to use the 1500 crap balls I still had left, plus my full hire fee was stated to include free gas all day - but nope - the head marshal was standing his ground. It was another £2.50 or nothing. So I packed up, went home, and ditched my 1500 balls in the bin, which was all it was suited for.

I felt sorry for the other marshalls who expressed some sympathy.

All in all if that had been my only experience of paintball I would never return. And the fact that this does not seem to be a lone negative experience is quite worrying for UK 'ball.

My 2p worth - DF, what a bunch of ******s. Sorry Gups - don't include you in that !
 

Big Mac

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thats a con , where abouts was it where you went

and why did u throw away 1500 !!! paintballs!! thats about 75 quid lol

james
try reading his post! he went to the DF site in Shoreham, Kent

and the paint - "the paint was the worst I have ever seen, ever ! Rotting mush. I was getting 2 breaks in 3"
 

Gups

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Hi Simon.
Sorry to hear about the bad experience you had at DF some time ago. I worked at DF at the Shoreham site, from the second week it opened for about 2 years, marshalling most saturdays and when i wasn't playing a tourney, on sundays too. When i worked there i was a senior marshal/gun tech & gas filler. In all the time i worked there we never charged anyone for a co2 fill, not while i was onsite, anyway! Co2 fills are included in the price of the ticket as you say. Were you the only person paying for fills? I assume you took the marshals name and phoned DF the next day to complain, or saw the manager in the centre shop? What was their response?

Re the paint being crap at that time, we're talking about 3 yrs ago - I guess so as the Shoreham centre moved about then. I won't deny that poor quality paint was a possibility!! In those days we had very little in the way of quality control/selection process for our paint, and proper storage was an issue. However, we've come a long way since then :) Before we buy any paint now, each batch is tested by me, or by another DF paint tester, at the suppliers premises. This often takes a full day every week. We test for fragility/shape/size/fill and, where possible, we test fire a hopper from each batch through a site gun. The paint is tested again, when it arrives at the centres, and any poor paint that slips through (and there's very little, despite the huge quantities we buy in) is swapped out from the surplus we hold at our main warehouses. Also we now have greatly improved the paint storage conditions, with heated storerooms at each centre and in the offsite stores too.

Paint prices in those days were the pretty much the same as they are now as far as i recall... £5 per 100 if bought by the box, or £6 per 100 bought in small quantities. This is standard for rental days - i'm not talking about walk on days as we don't offer those yet. This is mainly because we don't offer compressed air fills, but we are looking into air and into offering a DF membership, where repeat rental or own gunner customers can play for less.

The reason you were refused the use of your own Co2 bottle is because DF don't know how well your valve has been fitted to your cylinder. Other paintball operators have followed us in this decision since then, and i applaud them for it. In the past we had occasions where players bought co2 cylinders and valves seperately off the internet, and not knowing any better, they screwed the valve on by hand and assumed this was sufficient! I'm sure you can appreciate this put our customers and staff in considerable danger, so the blanket ban on players own bottles was brought in. In contrast, all DF Co2 bottles have the valves fitted in our workshop according to manufacturers recommendations for valve fitting. Every bottle and valve is checked for +/- thread tolerance and loctited into place using a fully calibrated torque wrench. We never re-fit a co2 valve. We acknowledge they are a one-fit item only. It may surprise readers to hear that many other paintball games operators don't even own a torque wrench, something that was pointed out to me by Trev & Tim of H-PAC who visited us recently and commented on how impressed they were by our safety practice. Our co2 safety is extended by inspecting every DF cylinder monthly, applying the rejection criteria in BSEN1802 for gouges, dents and other damage. We withdraw all cylinders from use after 5 years, even tho they have a 10 year test. Our oldest bottle is currently 2003 and all cylinders are pi marked. Additionally, all valves we use comform to TPED and the design/make we use (Powerball/Arrow) has since gained the pi approval. I firmly believe this is way beyond what any other rental paintball company in the UK does to ensure players' and staff safety. And before anyone says it, we don't do this because of any accident we've had (we haven't) or because H & S etc have told us to,(they haven't). We do it because we believe this makes DF a very safe place to play paintball.


Some questions for you marshals out there: How many of you are working at sites with old DOT and expired Co2 cylinders? (i know of a few already ;) ) Does your centre manager check every bottle every month? Has the company you work for got calibrated micrometers to measure the exact depth of a gouge? If you fill gas, do you know what markings you are looking for to allow you to fill that bottle, or what the damage rejection criteria are, because you have an obligation under current legislation to inspect bottles before filling them.
Sermon over ;) (TFFT)!
 

Phobia

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i've been to NPF, delta force and skirmish at leicester and the only bad place has been to delta force for a start they're bloody everywhere when i go to shopping centres asking 'hey, sir would you like to play paintball' brandashing a bloody crappy mech at me telling me this is the top of the line in paintball markers; hahaha yeah ryt. and finaly the site i went to just outside of lichfield was awful...
The prices were ridiculous for paint, the marshalls were cocky gits and most of them in fact were mainly children who had no idea what they were doing.
And i havn't even scratched the surface of how much bad press delta force get anyway.
Well no need to guess who i gave my vote too...
 
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Guppy - thanks for the reply.

No, I never followed up with a complaint. Just wrote DF off as a bad experience, and made a note never to return. It was a long time ago now, and glad to hear from you that things have improved since then.

I remember the paint was in white unlabbelled boxes.

A mate in the group brought along his Spyder, and also had to use site bottles and pay for his gas - although he too had paid the full hire rental.

The chap in charge on the day was tall'ish and slim, with dark hair. His attitude seemed to be that he hated paintball and paintballers - at the very least he had pretty dire customer relationship skills. Sounds likely that the extra few quid gas money may have gone in his pocket too !

Anyway - peace out :)
 

Gups

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From that description i've an idea who it could've been, and they're long gone :)

Re 'white box' paint, believe it or not we actually ASK our suppliers to provide it packaged this way. All of our paint is bought from major UK paint suppliers and is the same as you'll find on any rental/walk-on/rec day.

We choose to have it in white boxes for 2 reasons:
1. (mainly) It brings the cost down a little
2. Centre managers often have a preference over which brand they get and this can be time consuming and sometimes logistically impossible to get 'x' brand to scotland and 'y' brand to wales in any particular week. If all paint is supplied in white boxes it reduces the number of phone calls we get at HO saying 'i wanted x and i got y' ;) We've got all angles covered, even manager psychology ;) ;)
 

TheGurkha

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Some questions for you marshals out there: How many of you are working at sites with old DOT and expired Co2 cylinders? (i know of a few already ;) ) Does your centre manager check every bottle every month? Has the company you work for got calibrated micrometers to measure the exact depth of a gouge? If you fill gas, do you know what markings you are looking for to allow you to fill that bottle, or what the damage rejection criteria are, because you have an obligation under current legislation to inspect bottles before filling them.
Sermon over ;) (TFFT)!

im a marshal. the site I work for check through the bottles every WEEK, checking for faults and 'close to expire bottles. there are only a few o us trained up to be 'Armorers' and we are the only ones aloud to fill bottles, both CO2, and Compressed air. Also, all our Armory staff are over 18. and we know exactly what we're looking for. a more important fact you've just brought up, though... if you DO know of sites using illegal bottles, then why haven't you done everything you can to see them shut down?? or at least share the info, so the UKPSF can be notified.

...or are they members of the UKPBA?
 

Ion_Mike

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if you DO know of sites using illegal bottles, then why haven't you done everything you can to see them shut down??
I know im nowhere near as inthe loop as anyone on here, but surely it would be better to say to the site manager, hey look here son you wanna stop using them bottles and get some new ones!
in stead of shutting sites down we should be getting more open!
just makesure you point people who are doing wrong in the right direction.
 
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