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Nick Brockdorff said:
For instance, you get hit going into a bunker, slide, and the hit is gone... and you automatically incurr a 341..... rarely do refs make that call today, but they should, every time.
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I personally think we might be better off if wiping was a 1-for-1, but the standard for calling it was 'looking like you might be wiping'. If you get hit to a part of your body and slide on it, and that in and of itself is a one-for-one, people would learn not to slide where they might be hit.

We also lose ground to wiping by letting players stay in too long with hits. If you get hit, you need to check the hit and leave the field, immediately. Because we don't pull one-for-ones on people for getting hit and staying in the game 5 more seconds (especially if they don't shoot), that gives them 5 seconds to decide if a ref was looking at them and then get rid of the hit if they think they can get away with it. If we just penalize you for even being there the extra 5 seconds, then we also cut back on your ability to wipe in the first place.
 
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I know Joy are upset but heres a fact not a lot of you knew, What about

Russian legion won there first event and certain team changed the score sheet ? making them second, they just took it on the chin. (Amsterdam 2003 i think). Unfortuantly we were reffing the Strange, Russian legion game at the time but our game was delayed and we are 99% sure the score sheet was changed but unfortuanatly the french team reffering had to catch there flights and at the time no one could prove anything.

Reffering is in all sports a variable look at:

Argintrina and the Hand of God,
The goal that never was Man U vs Spurs
Wasps Vs (Tolouse i think) Rugby cup final, even with vidoe replays the winning Try was alloed when it was wasnt.
my point is Sports are all full of reffering mistakes its part and parcell of playing sports, every week theres contriversee in the Premireship, it add to the excitement. The best teams in every sport tend to be good at cheating wether its killing the ball in rugby, scrumaging, punching kicking biting same applys to football. I watched Davids play his first game for spurs the man ran around kicking everyone when the ref looked the other way it was as if he had his own radar.

Dont get me wrong i do not condone cheating and i have always watched up and coming players cheat a lot and wonder why when it comes to major event they are sh!t. Beacuase they relied on there cheating and never imporved. Hence saying that some of the biggest names are the best cheaters in paintball.

If Paintball is to make it on TV you need your Villans and Heros your Chris losyas and your (hmm trying to think of a super clean pro paintballer) Fedrovs.

3-1 is way to harsh for a wiping as most of the time its so hard to tell if someone has wiped just a simple. like Football why are there diffrent rules for in the box to out of the box. why is it when a player is on a yellow card there is a reluctance to send him off, surely a foul is a foul. It is ofc human nature bit like decision go for the home team becuase of the crowd. If a home player is sent of the chances are the ref will harshly send of one of the away team to balence the books.

A mate once said to me a Win is a Win!

That is very much the case when the smoke clears people only ever remember the winners. Again for example in another final Opie did a run though to take first place from Russian legion in Campaign 2004 (not a good year for the Russian and reffing) he was apparently hit before he got up and ran, now if he was out it would have been a win to the Russians and they should have won 2 events that year. Aparently disision balence them selfs out over the course of a season, (not so sure).

i dont know if there was any point to what i wrote normally writing my name is a mission so sorry for the waffel, i think my point was whats done is done and its not unique to paintball, bad descions happen in all sports as you cant change the result after the event!
 
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I disagree Ronnie, I think in this case people will remember that the win wasn't really a win. Obviously there's always going to be that core of Dynofans and the blindly patriotic, but winning the way they have is not a plus for the image of the team. In this recent instance, when people look back they will more likely remember the whole fiasco surrounding 'what really happened' over who actually lifted the trophy. "A win is a win" dosn't really cut it anymore at that level.

Your also contradicting yourself throughout, suggesting on one hand that people only remember the winners, so it matters less what happens in the game. But on the other hand saying cheating is bad...

How a win is gained does matter, both ethically and strategically; The Russians may have lost out in the past, but they are now arguably the greatest team in the world and probably the cleanest. People who were at WC were saying they were on a whole different level. Cheating against them is fast becoming akin to hiding under the bed on the titanic really (to borrow a Robboism).
From the perspective of the league, how a win is gained is also very important when you consider that paintball is a fringe sport, desperately trying to be taken seriously. Better reffing and less (unpunished) cheating is an important goal for everyone really.
 
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It's bad for everybody, in some respect, if outsiders look in and see a circus where we see a sport..
 
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Its only just accured to me matski, why you have gold member as your avatar. That for me is more worldbreaking than the NPPL news.

wow...
 
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