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[Freddie Brockdorff]

I'm going to go with the idea you and Freddie were agreeing with me rather than the other way around - easier on the therapy bills that way

Goooooood luck with that.........

Nick agrees with me (god that hurt ) ......

Sorry, it doesn't work that way, Freddie agrees with me and is right (damn that's two from the same family...)

SOOOORRY - couldn´t help it - I´ll stop the torturing now hehehehe....

 

[Tricky]

You tell em Frankie!

Dooo It

 

[Beaker]

tra la la

 

[Baca Loco]

Re: this camera biz. The first point that needs to be agreed to is that it's a bad idea to go rearranging results after the fact. I think that's an easy call and agree with Nick and Beaks (or Beaks and Nick as you prefer, Beaks.) The second thing is when the use of camera replay comes into play. In the sports that use video to review or clarify calls made they do it at the time in the game it's happening. Nobody uses instant replay to alter game results after the fact. Which I think effectively removes the whole concept from the 7-man game and leaves you debating whether it's possible or worthwhile to try and figure out a way to use instant replay in Xball. I can conceive of a situation where the teams have say, a challenge per half and there is a well-defined variety of situations or calls the teams can challenge--not unlike American football--and even that would require a significant investment in equipment, resources and additional manpower. Bottom line--maybe someday in a limited way.

As to using video to review things like the suspension call. Sure, OK, but even then where does it end? How conclusive is conclusive? Are we gonna start reviewing tape looking for things to penalize instead of, in this case, looking to see if a given suspension was in fact warranted?

 

[jcressey]

Also , another reason why you cant compare the 2...

You cant just keep stopping and starting the game, Where in football they can just stop give it all that 2 the ref , then carry on , it dont happen. so its either you stop the game to let the boys know they have seen in the video footage that someone wiped and leaving everyone to know the oppersitions location.. Or just stick with it and play on

I think i choose second option

 

[MissyQ]

In football (real football) video evidence is used frequently to dispute bans/penalties that the ref may have imposed on players during the game. It can't be used to affect the result of the game, but if a team requests that the referee reconsider a 6 match ban given to a player after being sent off (red card) then the red card and ban may be recinded, although it does not help the fact that the penalised team played minus a player (for however long) and lost the game.

I see a direct comparison here.

 

[Chicago]

Missy is right on.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Yep, because bans/suspensions 99,9 % of the time includes actions that are beyond the scope of normal play, and has to do with abnormal/violent behaviour - and such actions are fairly easy to discern on video footage. - Normal monir infractions would be nigh on impossible to judge by using footage.

In any case, the standard defense on minor infractions would rapidly become "but that guy was hit earlier in the game, which is unfortunately not shown in the footage, so he is playing on" - making the video footage pointles

Nick

 

[The_Tank]

In my opinion such mistakes can only be fought by 2 measures:

1. Better Refs
Sadly like Nicky T. once said to me "the best Refs would prolly be the best players" but most refs suck at playing... Maybe even more Ref training etc. and like in Soccer you have to have at least a few years experience reffing to ref a worldcup... but sadly there is no organisation like the FIFA for paintball, even the ProLeagues are competing, so how should we get a ProRef organization working. (Actually at least in some parts SOP is working, but quality of SOP refs does vary greatly also)

2. Higher Penalties for Cheating
Imaginge this: You get cought wiping (usually you do not get the 3-4-1 most of the time refs will only pull a 1-4-1) well bad luck you do it next time again, because you get cought what 1 out of 40?
Now imagine this: You get cought wiping -> your team is disqualified from the tournament and you get a 6 game suspension for the next one.

Now yes maybe the second penalty is to harsh, but you see where I am going with this, people will only hesitate to do things if it has severe consequences and a 1-4-1 in 40 successful wipes, well I take that any day (and I truthfully state -> I do it, I do wipe YES any chance I get I do it). Would I wipe if the penalties were much more severe -> I would not take the chance of a disqualification if 25000 bucks are on the line...

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

The problem with the few wiping calls, is not that the penalty is too low, but rather that refs think it is too high, and thus fear making the call.

Increasing the penalty would not mean more calls - actually the contrary.

I think 341 is fine, refs just need to grow a pair and make the call - and forget all about intent, which should not be relevant.

For instance, you get hit going into a bunker, slide, and the hit is gone... and you automatically incurr a 341..... rarely do refs make that call today, but they should, every time.

Nick