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[phillips]

It can cause massive water retention and if you don't move around and respire, sweat the water off it can kill you, I believe thats correct budda?
also increases heart rates in extremem ammounts, thus why E takers can dance for so long, or run for a lot longer, I know someone who used to take it for running , well his heart literally exploded( combined with steroid ABUSE) his left ventricle basicly decided to go bye bye.

He did abuse it though and suffered the terrible consiquences.

 

[Shadlad]

The ammount XTC deaths from pure xtc is a handfull. The deaths from steriod over doses a handful. Most xtc deaths have been un pure tablets, most steriod deaths are from abuse. Gaining masses of weight and straining your heart etc without giving your body time to rest etc.

I agree if you abuse drink, coffee and smokeit is deadly. But they are stopping you smoking in public etc for other peoples health. But if you took drink away and ciggies there would be a bootleg market for it.Like other drugs when it is illegalgod knows what you get !! In newcastle last year there was dodgy cheap vodka that was killing people.

But the drugs i meant were the likes of heroine etc

 

[Mario]

Most xtc deaths have been un pure tablets, most steriod deaths are from abuse.

wrong.

It is in fact, purer forms of pills, cheaper prices and ease of buying that are attributed to the growing number of deaths from ecstasy. And believe me its more than a handful. The number of deaths usually doubles every year from ecstasy.

At the end of the day, its your body. Put into it whatever you want. Nobody else really cares.

If you do the research then you will be at just as much risk as anyone else. If you dont do the research you will damage yourself. Know your body and know your limits.

 

[mikey601]

wrong.

It is in fact, purer forms of pills, cheaper prices and ease of buying that are attributed to the growing number of deaths from ecstasy. And believe me its more than a handful. The number of deaths usually doubles every year from ecstasy.

At the end of the day, its your body. Put into it whatever you want. Nobody else really cares.

If you do the research then you will be at just as much risk as anyone else. If you dont do the research you will damage yourself. Know your body and know your limits.

C'mon mate, thats Bsh*t

 

[Mario]

C'mon mate, thats Bsh*t

how?

When it comes to substances its the truth.

Steroids - i know nothing about steroids. they mean nothing to me and ive never been inclined to try them. Im sure with five minutes of searching on the internet i could have material which is from a credible source. I could also go and talk to someone in a gym who looks like they may have taken steroids.

Drugs - Ive tried most things. I've talked to people who've been doing them for time and a half. Again i could go on the internet and find out loads of information. I could more than likely happen across the instructions for making e's if i really went hunting.

However as with steroids if they are duff then your f*cked. They will harm your body and you.

You get as much information as possible. You make an informed decision and you buy from 'reputable' dealers. They are out there and they cater to every need.

For example - when i did drugs i bought from one guy i trusted. Thats the whole basis of the drugs industry btw, trust. The dealer must trust the buyer not to inform on him and the buyer must trust the dealer not to sell him duff drugs. There is a very informative article in the economist from a few years back if your interested in the details.

I'll say it again - you are at just as much risk as everyone else if you do your research. You are more at risk if you just jump into it without proper research.

edit: What im trying to say is that there is an inherent risk with using any drug. Just because you research your drug doesn't mean you wont end up sick.

 

[Shadlad]

I have know a lot of drug dealers and the likes and I guarantee you 99 percent of them aint got a clue what is in the drugs they sell. The cheapness of the likes of xtc is because it is not pure. Anyone who took xtc 15 years ago will tell you 8 of todays is around the same as one then.

All drugs run a risk, but the likes of streriods are less risk if you research them. I believe correct me if i'm wrong that some injections go into the muscles and some into the tissue instead. Oil based don't go direct into the muscle etc.

Holland is the country with the right views we ain't going to stop it so lets make sure it is safe. The guy sits in the corner and tests your xtc. if it is good you find out there and thenif crap you bin it !!

 

[Robbo]

I have know a lot of drug dealers and the likes and I guarantee you 99 percent of them aint got a clue what is in the drugs they sell. The cheapness of the likes of xtc is because it is not pure. Anyone who took xtc 15 years ago will tell you 8 of todays is around the same as one then.

All drugs run a risk, but the likes of streriods are less risk if you research them. I believe correct me if i'm wrong that some injections go into the muscles and some into the tissue instead. Oil based don't go direct into the muscle etc.

Holland is the country with the right views we ain't going to stop it so lets make sure it is safe. The guy sits in the corner and tests your xtc. if it is good you find out there and then if crap you bin it !!

Shad, actually the oil based drugs are injected intramuscular, as are water based roids such as injectable Winstrol.
Insulin which often accompanies growth hormone is administered subcutaneously (into the fat layers of the skin, generally around the tummy area).
As you have so exampled, there is so much ignorance (no disrespect) surrounding roids (and a lot of drugs) and this just proves the point that if people are considering doing anything, they must seek medical advice or at least source responsible clinical information.


And for this Christmas, I am gonna buy Phillips a spellcheck for his pc and a roid 101 book

 

[Robbo]

Bejeezus, reading a lot of this stuff is killin' me

Some E users who have died did so because their heart gave out due to drastic dehydration which causes the blood to thicken and hence harder to pump. And this is exactly what some roid users do in that when they do bodybuilding shows, they take diuretics which flush their system of water in an attempt to look cut.
It will have the effect of draining the body of water and therefore the muscle groups are better defined.
This is extremely dangerous for obvious reasons but cannot be directly attributed to roids, more to the roid culture and the taking of water reducing drugs, and even more specifically to bodybuilders who do shows.
And this demographic is a minute section of people who actually take them.

Now john251282 is a smart cookie and I respect what he says because he is well versed in this area but I believe (no disrespect) even he knee jerks some of his responses.
But in this case, I think it is a good strategy because I think it is always good to err on the side of safety and this he does.
I personally believe that I have done enough research to offset any stigma or predisposed thinking concerning roids to be able to make a valued judgment about their usage.
But this is concerning usage by myself and in no way endorses or advocates it for others.
Ya know, if you want a handle on all this, look at how many people die from smoking, drinking or overeating.
Any one of those completely dwarfs the number (pro rate) that can be attributed to roids and in fact, I don't know of one person who has died from taking roids, and trust me, I know a lot of guys who do.

john251282 would rightfully make the point that there is little data concerning long term effects and even if there was, it would be extremely difficult to disentangle deaths and diseases occurring for reasons other than steroid abuse amongst the roid using demographic.
All one can do is attach a statistical likelihood, and even then, without definitive clinical testing looking at the biochemistry of organs such as heart, kidney and liver, the results would be ambiguous at best as John well knows.

 

[Robbo]

C'mon mate, thats Bsh*t

Actually Mikey, Mario is correct...to a point.
I think the point he is making is this, even tho you may have done the research and just suppose the research you did suggested that taking nandrolone was the way to go, how do you know that what you buy (believing to be Nandrolone) is authentic?
You don't, and so in this case, doing the research is somewhat academic if you can't verify whether the substance you are buying is genuine.
The weakest link is always gonna be the guy you buy from and as such, all efforts must be made to find someone who you can trust and also to do some research in being able to identify fakes.

 

[Mario]

Actually Mikey, Mario is correct...to a point.
I think the point he is making is this, even tho you may have done the research and just suppose the research you did suggested that taking nandrolone was the way to go, how do you know that what you buy (believing to be Nandrolone) is authentic?
You don't, and so in this case, doing the research is somewhat academic if you can't verify whether the substance you are buying is genuine.
The weakest link is always gonna be the guy you buy from and as such, all efforts must be made to find someone who you can trust and also to do some research in being able to identify fakes.

the point i was trying to make - more eloquently put than i could put it.