Joy Stockholm official comment on OC NPPL

[Freddie Brockdorff]

I seriously STILL don´t get how they could even think about giving you guys a suspension for that malicious intent-crap?

How many hits are on BC in total - like 10 maybe? They are from 2-3 different points in the game.... If you include that he was shot even before jumping over the snake!

Okay - if they then want to rule for the malicious intent because BC was shot up in the face/neck - erhm - then how about BC himself shooting up Karl when they are both lying in the snake - Karl is actually the one being shoot at with the most "malicious intent" in my oppinion, if any... And then when Sebban comes running, BC once again shoots at the face (Sebban as well, but that just makes them "guilty of the same crime")?

I´m curious - is the malicious intent because BC was shot too many times or because it was in the head from very close? Because he himself is just as "guilty" in both acts!

 

[Chicago]

they didnt have to hang it

the game "automatically" went to dynasty from the 3-4-1 i think

Nope! As I pointed out in the other thread, the gameshould have gone to a one-on-one. According to NPPL rules, the flag is only automatically hung when the last player is eliminated because he played on or wiped.

20.02 Elimination of Last Player. If the last player on a team is found to have been
playing on with an obvious hit or wiping then the other team will automatically be awarded the pull
and the hang.

Since the penalty was neither for playing on nor for wiping, and both Dynaty players are eiminated (their armbands got pulled, whether they should have been or not, no armband = dead), the game ends with everybody on the field dead.

 

[mr S]

look at the first vid... sebban goes round to mug BC, he is clean as he does so...

when he goes round to finish him off, bc has his gun up at him, and after sebban shoots bc, sebban has a hit right in the middle of his goggs

so bc shot sebban with no armband... sebban shot bc with one (even although bc was already out, he still had his gun aimed at sebban)

gg nppl ...

This is not only about Perez, but about Dynasty players as well.

Look at BC´s mien. He is like - I was not aiming at him, i even was not there...

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[manike]

yet another video-capture.

Ahem. Everyone who hasn't watched the video above should. Right now. It's the best one of what happened.

The judge on the spot clearly calls both Dynasty guys out, You can hear him clearly. Sebban was running up at that point, he didn't know, all he could have thought was to finish the last guy.

THAT ONE judge should have been the one who made the decision. He was there, he called it.

The fact that Fraige was grabbing at a live player while he was dead is incidental as is the rest of the crap about 'malicious intent'. What utter BULL****. In that fraction of a second there was nothing malicious going on, nor does it look malicious, other than on BC's behalf when he shot Sebban while HE wasn't wearing an armband.

Are we sure that Dan didn't get a "Joy player shooting without an armband" confused with a "Dynasty player shooting without an armband"?

That video above clearly shows that BC's band was already pulled and then he had his gun up and was shooting Sebban. HE is the one that should have been penalised. Sebban still had a band on.

Magued, you were robbed. There was no doubt then in my mind, there is even less now that I have looked at all the footage and all the pictures.

Dan's reasoning for his call is horrendous. I know it's a hard job to ref, but there was a ref right there who call out Alex and BC. He took both their armbands. The only players left with bands were Joy players. It should have been a simple decision when taking that into account. The player reffing Sebban is ALEX! He pulls him back for Christ Sakes.

To try and come up with some other reasoning based upon those second of chaos and from someone who was not on the field is a horrific piece of injustice. Dan should resign over this. If he can't trust his judges on the field and work out the best answer to such an important call, he shouldn't hold the position he does.

After all that mess simply the last guy standing won, or play a one on one. How you could ever give that as a victory to Dynasty is just beyond any reasonable understanding.

Magued, I'm sorry we didn't get chance to talk last weekend. Your team is phenomenal right now. I'm sorry you didn't get the win you deserved. I can't believe the NPPL will give you a suspension now that everything can be so clearly seen. It's a major shame paintball doesn't allow for camera footage to be reviewed because in my eyes the result should be overturned too.

 

[Chicago]

I agree with everything except the camera footage part. There are simply not enough cameras and they do not have enough quality and the footage is not readily accessable and only a small portion of it is (currently) recorded.

Besides, I don't think the added footage would have made any difference anyway. The problem isn't that the refs didn't know what was going on or that they didn't make the right calls. The problem is that an administrator was allowed to interfere with the result called by the officials, and that he apparently did a quite bad job of it.

 

[Revolt]

, and that he apparently did a quite bad job of it.

understatement of the year

 

[manike]

I agree with everything except the camera footage part. There are simply not enough cameras and they do not have enough quality and the footage is not readily accessable and only a small portion of it is (currently) recorded.

Besides, I don't think the added footage would have made any difference anyway. The problem isn't that the refs didn't know what was going on or that they didn't make the right calls. The problem is that an administrator was allowed to interfere with the result called by the officials, and that he apparently did a quite bad job of it.

I think I've now seen 5 different video's of it, all from different angles. It's absolutely enough, in my mind, to remove any concern of 'malicious' intent.

 

[Chicago]

I think I've now seen 5 different video's of it, all from different angles. It's absolutely enough, in my mind, to remove any concern of 'malicious' intent.

I agree that this is true, my problem is that it's true on Wednesday, and the game was on Sunday, and that's not workable for using as a means of calling games.

And, having the additional footage available to the same people wouldn't have made a difference. It wasn't not having the footage that was the problem, it was not being able to correctly apply the rules that was the problem. Al you need to do is change the people/plicy - don't let administrators overturn field calls.

 

[manike]

I agree. My point was that they hadn't decided on the suspension yet had they?

But then if they don't give the suspension... it means they know the original call was BULL****..... what happens then?

So Chicago, what you are saying is that it's ALL Dan's fault?

 

[Tom Allen]

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