Joy Stockholm official comment on OC NPPL

[Chicago]

We played a Us pro team and their last player was had a hit on hes shoulder when he hung the flag. You gave them a 1-4-1 and the game went to us. Then Dan Perez came down and after talking to the other captain over turned your call and gave them the game. He said that the player had intention to check himself beacuse the player had said that he looked at hes shoulder and couldnt find any hit. So beacuse he had "intention" it wasnt playing on. Now I suggested that intention to check means CALL FOR A ****ING PAINTCHECK! As anybody could otherwise say that they had intention to check and keep playing with hits. But the call went to the other team and we missed the quarters.

I can't tell if Dan is biased or just not competent, because this (and other things) illustrates that he is missing the relevant issue entirely.

A hit on the shoulder is an obvious hit. That's a minimum 1-for-1. If he checked himself just before hanging the flag and called himself out it's STILL a 1-for-1. If a ref caught it before he hung the flag it's STILL a one-for-one. If he intended to check for it it's STILL a one-for-one. If he asked for a paint check and then went to hang the flag it's STILL a one-for-one.

This illustrates another problem. Dan Perez does not understand that unless he is on the field reffing himself, he should not be overturning on-field calls. That goes for this case, and that goes for the OC event. This is basic reffing practice - if you're not on the field, don't overturn the call of someone who was. And Dan Perez was definitely not on the field during either game.


I think that while the referees made the best call they could given the information and time available to them, they were in a crappy situation partially because they lacked the skill to be in the right spot to make the right call in the first place. Putting refs on the inside of the snake to see hits from cross-field is another basic reffing skill, one you would hope the refs of the biggest game of the season might have.


I think the call the refs on the field ORIGINALLY made was actually the correct one - BC got his armband pulled, the Joy players did not. That seems to indicate to me that the one ref who was actually standing RIGHT THERE made the call that Joy made the first bunker clean and BC got shot on the way in. Now, when I say I think it's correct that's based on my interpretation of the 'evidence' after-the-fact. It could be that it actually is the wrong call. But the call made by the ref who was standing right there seemed to be that Joy won the game, and that call was apparently only overturned later by an official who wasn't even on the field.


But, I also think Joy themselves are also partially to blame for adding to the chaos. You can't get too mad at the refs for havin a chaotic situation to deal with when part of the reason for that chaos is your own actions. Yes, the reffing could have been done better, but the players could have acted to make the calls easier to make in their favor as well, and prt of plying any professional sport is making it easy for the refs to give you the calls you want.

 

[Revolt]

look at the first vid... sebban goes round to mug BC, he is clean as he does so...

when he goes round to finish him off, bc has his gun up at him, and after sebban shoots bc, sebban has a hit right in the middle of his goggs

so bc shot sebban with no armband... sebban shot bc with one (even although bc was already out, he still had his gun aimed at sebban)

gg nppl ...

 

[Revolt]

I think the call the refs on the field ORIGINALLY made was actually the correct one - BC got his armband pulled, the Joy players did not. That seems to indicate to me that the one ref who was actually standing RIGHT THERE made the call that Joy made the first bunker clean and BC got shot on the way in. Now, when I say I think it's correct that's based on my interpretation of the 'evidence' after-the-fact. It could be that it actually is the wrong call. But the call made by the ref who was standing right there seemed to be that Joy won the game, and that call was apparently only overturned later by an official who wasn't even on the field.

you are right

when bc comes over the snake to shoot scandal you clearly here the ref, who is RIGHT in the action saying "there gone both of them" referring to scandal and bc, he pulls both there bands and sebban is the only alive player on the field..

so then why are the 2 dynasty players still there

1 of them (alex) who grabs sebban as he runs past
the other (bc) shoots him in the goggs....

just looked at the pic

http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos/nppl/10-22-06/IMG_6771.jpg

so scandal doesnt have his band pulled, only BC, which technically still leaves both joy players in the game, although only sebban is clean until bc shoots him in the face

 

[Magued]

pbstar video

If we look at the video from the finals its evident that Dan dont have a clue.
He is not even talking to hes reffs what they think.

In the end he manage to rule that beacuse of a Joy player shoot hes gun without a armband on, Joy will recive a 3-4-1

When in reality it was the complete opposite. The dynasty player shoot hes gun without a armband on...

Its all proven without a doubt that we got shafted, now we only have to wait for our suspension. I hope they go easy on us. But it would be a effective way to stop Joy from any titel chance in 07 if we are playing with 6 guys in HB.

I told Dan that he will look like a idiot when the videos comes out, I guess I was right

Magued

 

[Revolt]

cant you challenge them with all the evidence and the fact the referee penalized you for "facts" that dont even exist?!?!

 

[Nizzie]

Magued,

Lets hope the penalties that Joy face are not too harsh, this way you can prove AGAIN how much of a great a team you all are

 

[Tom Allen]

With hindsight and viewing the lucky vid.

Literally looking from the sidelines, Sebban had to come in and take out bc. In his eyes bc is going to be the only live player, he has no idea that his arm band has been removed, and as he's coming in bc has his gun pointed at him.
Sebban had every right to take out bc.

3-4-1 my arse, that's just to make sure of a dysentery win.

Another case of sp using foul means to gain superiority.

 

[Robbo]

Another case of sp using foul means to gain superiority.

Actually Tom, this has nothing to do with SP and everything to do with Dan Perez and his inability to make the right call.
What worries me about this after talking to Mag is the post game rhetoric from Dan.
Magued is convinced of an inherent bias against Joy (Euros) from Dan and the circumstantial evidence is at least compelling from what I have now been told and have seen on this board.

I think Dan needs to hand his ref badge back in as he has now proved, by design or default, that he is unable to handle big time situations in a fair, impartial and reasonable manner.

As for the guys from Joy, I think they need to let a little time pass and then think about what they have achieved over this past year..... and that is something truly remarkable.
The raw pain those guys are now feeling is still fresh but will subside and I hope they can all realise just what they have achieved this past year and look back on the season and view it as a whole rather than focusing on the most recent injustice.

The Russians were the first Euro team to make the Yanks really respect us but that was always mediated because of the resources Sergey could put behind the team, what Magued has achieved is even more remarkable because he has taken on the Yanks in their own back yard with a resource package that is nowhere near that of the Legion and won..and that tells me, the man knows he's doing and he has a set of players who respect his every word.
A fantastic year for Joy and also for Euros, I just wish it would inspire us in this country.

 

[Tom Allen]

Not being totally up on the rules, what i don't understand is. With both dysentry players effectively dead (armbands removed), and at least one live Joy player given a 3-4-1 penalty, who could hang the flag for dysentry. In the realms of that penalty, are dysentry players replaced into the game if there's not enough Joy players to fulfill the penalty.

 

[Revolt]

they didnt have to hang it

the game "automatically" went to dynasty from the 3-4-1 i think

even though joy should have won the game 3 years before sebban shoots up bc

and even after sebban shoots up bc...

i agree with robbo, that ref (dan perez) should never referee another nppl match