Dont think you been watching the same game. Look at the right one. First time they say something about 3 for 1 is several minutes after the flag hang.
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As most of you guys know, I am good friends with Magued and have been for a long time and I will back him up every time I can.
On this occasion however I can't agree with him in thinking it was a fix.
I will concede however there was some reffing that was biased against Joy in that Perez and others made decisions that were knowingly contrary to the facts and fair play, and they did this because they were doing favours for Dynasty.
This is different from there being a fix because this implies there was a conspiracy (more than one) whereby two or more judges decided in a willful and deliberate way to engineer the result no matter what....and I don't believe this was the case.
I just think Perez and others were biased and willing to cheat...no less serious in my eyes than a fix but still, I don't think those idiots have got the balls or brains to do that sh!t but they certainly got the skillset to be prejudiced against Joy ....self-evidently so !
I believe their prejudice manifested in spontaneous mal-judgements and not a pre-game decision to fix the result.
On this occasion however I can't agree with him in thinking it was a fix.
I will concede however there was some reffing that was biased against Joy in that Perez and others made decisions that were knowingly contrary to the facts and fair play, and they did this because they were doing favours for Dynasty.
This is different from there being a fix because this implies there was a conspiracy (more than one) whereby two or more judges decided in a willful and deliberate way to engineer the result no matter what....and I don't believe this was the case.
I just think Perez and others were biased and willing to cheat...no less serious in my eyes than a fix but still, I don't think those idiots have got the balls or brains to do that sh!t but they certainly got the skillset to be prejudiced against Joy ....self-evidently so !
I believe their prejudice manifested in spontaneous mal-judgements and not a pre-game decision to fix the result.
I'd be a little annoyed if they did do anything retrospectively having denied me that facility when they fukked up in Chicago and knew damn well we had been cheated out out of the Sunday Club, hmmmm, that still rankles me.
Chuck kindly offered me a free entry as recompense, I declined that offer because it wasn't money I was looking for, I wanted the series points my guys had worked so hard for and had it denied them because of a falsified score sheet.
And I remember looking into the eyes of the offending captain and seeing in them that very same look some of the Dynasty guys must have been expressing when they allowed that final game against Joy to slide in their favour ... I won't forget that look..... it sickened me to my bones ...
It would also be a fix if even one ref had an advance arrangement with someone else regarding the officiating of the game.
But, I don't think that happened. I chalk this one up to poor performance on the part of the officials, and it just happened to be Dynasty who benefitted this time around.
But, I don't think that happened. I chalk this one up to poor performance on the part of the officials, and it just happened to be Dynasty who benefitted this time around.
Chicago, but do you feel the 'poor performance' was merely that or because of an inherent bias (conscious or otherwise)?
I really don't know the involved parties well enough to make an informed judgement, but I'd say it's probably more likely that the officials just went with what was easy. That, coupled with apparently not being willing/able to take the time to sort out the situation correctly and not actually knowing the rules, led to the outcome.
I actually agree with what you say but I think I could go one step further.
You mention the word 'easy' and let's assume it was the least resistive path he (they) took.
I am suggesting that any decision made in that situation was gonna be difficult and the 'easiest' one was to favour the home team for obvious reasons.....and on that basis, it was an inherently biased decision.
Eh, I don't know that I'd say they were favoring the home team. I think they were favoring the team that made the loudest noise, pretended that the call was they were clean, took the flag, and hung it. Standard pro paintball tactics and the refs fell for it. The refs lost control of the game and Dynasty took contol of the game, and unfortunately, that's part of winning at the pro level.
This gets to something inherent (apparently) in sports officiating; star bias. I'm not convinced it was home-cooking so much as Dynasty are the top and the tops get favored, period. (*) You see it all the time. Michael Jordan wins his last NBA championship by sinking the winning jumpshot after pushing off his defender. No call. If a call is close or uncertain the tendency is to give it in favor of the favored.
I'm not suggesting this a good thing, far from it, but that it is a commonplace and universal sort of thing in sports.I only bring it up because I think it's something different than a specific team or player bias--which, unfortunately also exists in paintball but is no longer as prevalent as it once was.
* I'm simply using the current situation by way of example. I didn't watch the final game and I've only watched one video and I thought it was less than conclusive though I promise I have no bias in favor of the Dynarodents.
I was really wondering what the NPPL is thinking.
I am no Pro Paintballer, but I have been reffing for years. Have I made bad calls -> sure, did I make poor calls -> sure but this is unbeleavable.
Next thing is, I am really good at something else, I am a management consultant. Doing what the NPPL is doing now is the worst thing you can do in any situation -> doing nothing.
There should have been an official statement long ago, even if the would state "Well Dan was right, sorry guys have a cookie", they at least would draw a line.
Now if you were a marketing director would you sponsor such a league? The league officials should have taken action on the same day, actually someone with a phone on the field shoud have called for an immediate meeting of the league officials present and overrule or even simply state "Dan was right".
And last but not least I think calling this game a draw would have been a poor decission of the refs, but awarding the win to Dynasty was beyond stupid or any word I can find and is not justified by any rule in the book. (And yes I know the rules)
I am no Pro Paintballer, but I have been reffing for years. Have I made bad calls -> sure, did I make poor calls -> sure but this is unbeleavable.
Next thing is, I am really good at something else, I am a management consultant. Doing what the NPPL is doing now is the worst thing you can do in any situation -> doing nothing.
There should have been an official statement long ago, even if the would state "Well Dan was right, sorry guys have a cookie", they at least would draw a line.
Now if you were a marketing director would you sponsor such a league? The league officials should have taken action on the same day, actually someone with a phone on the field shoud have called for an immediate meeting of the league officials present and overrule or even simply state "Dan was right".
And last but not least I think calling this game a draw would have been a poor decission of the refs, but awarding the win to Dynasty was beyond stupid or any word I can find and is not justified by any rule in the book. (And yes I know the rules)