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Andy Will

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as Chicago commented, we need an overheard shot of the whole game in frame for the entire game.
I agree with that. If they zoom in on a player it should be a view from behind so you can see his stream of paint and who hes shooting at. Or, zoom in for replays to show where someone got hit. SP tourny is doing an OK job with this so far. I have noticed a few behind the player shots but not many.

Another thing I have noticed that needs work is the announcing being in sink with the action shown on tv. During the SP tourny the camera seems to change quite often and the announcers will still be talking about the last frame. By staying overhead more often the viewer can have an easier time figuring out who the announcers are talking about.
 

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yeah, i don't get why people don't watch from behind, as you can see people's snap shots and paint streams much better. I think they need a camera on a rail like they do behind the goal in football or something like that, or just one looking down from above and behind, would give people a much better idea of what's going on, or how a team is advancing
 

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I don't understand the lack of 'behind' shots either. That's one thing we quickly figured out two years ago and is evident on the 2005 DVD - a lot of shots either over the player's shoulder, or from cameramen in the middle of the field with paint going over their heads so you can see the paint coming IN to a player's bunker (well, you can see eit bouncing off th bunker, going past the bunker, and then hitting the player.) Made for some GREAT shots. But, I have to dmit we had some balsy camera guys that year, and the next year our camera guys wern't so balsy and it definitly affected the quality of the footage.

One thing I was noticing when I watched the match last night on ESPN2 is that when Marshall says things like "he's in snake 2", I know EXACTLY what he's talking about, but anybody who didn't play TOURNAMENT paintball would be lost. I think the smart parts show does do an EXCELLENT job of capturing important MOVEMENT from those two cameras elevated above teh 30 yard line on each side of the field, but is missing shots that could explain what the players are doing when they're not moving. In addition to shots from behind players, what I'd like to see is when it goes through the editting process that they add highlight graphics to the footage so when matty says something like "He's in snake 2, and really pinning in the dorito on the opposite side of the field", you mamybe see a highlight circle on snake 2 and then maybe an arrow pointing towards what he's shooting at.

I'd like to try some of these things myself but one thing I have not had to date is access to a significant editting budget.


I question two more things about the whole paintball on TV approach as well. Our show has fairly limitted dstribution (igital tier sports), BUT, we do make a little money at it, and the distribution is proportional to the investment/profit. We also only put 30% to 50% of the matches we film on the air. As weve done this, each year we've attracted more sponsors so we have more money available to produce the show and fund the league, and the network we are on grows so we get more distribution.

Contrast this with NXL/NPPL/Smart Parts. I think the whole 'let's get on ESPN' thing is a mistake. When you have new camera people and you start filming your event, you should film some matches that you never plan on letting see the light of day. I think the Smart Parts show has been hurt by the fact that the first few matches were the maches where everyone was figuring out what they were doing and are not as good as the recent ones - but the matches everyone saw first were the first ones. So after a couple weeks, they stop watching, and never get to see the shows that are better.

This is bad because we only get so many chances to attract an audience. When we havn't figured out how to broadcast this right yet (and we havn't), trying to get to the biggest audience possible is a mistake. It's expensive to do, and all you're doing is turning off a larger audience with a product you havn't worked out yet.


Hopefully, paintball has spent itself out on TV shows. What we need to do is put a moratorium on producing programming at a loss. If we can't get on the big networks without paying a lot of money, then we need to just not do it. There are plenty of small networks out there where we can do scaled-back programs and make some money at it. Develop some camera people with experience. Figure out the best way to edit and show the footage. Find a color commentator from outside the industry. (No offense to Bill Gardner, but just because you're the producer of the show doesn't mean you should be the announcer. Hire a pro.)

Each year, we'll get a little more money than the last year, we'll produce programming that is better than the last year, and we'll gradually, and healthily, move up the TV ladder. Paintball people in general seem to have a tough time understanding this - nobody wants to build somthing up, they just want to jump to the finish line, and it just doesn't work that way.


And Missy:

Over the past couple months I've been telling you that NPPL/Smart Parts are screwing up some very basic things they need to do to be successful at teh whole TV thing. The biggest one is you have no sponsors for your league. Before anyone even thinks ONE SECOND about trying to be on television, you need to establish a group of out-of-industry sponsors who are sponsoring your league on a non-televised basis. Once yo have that, then you have a group of ready-sponsors you can draw on when it comes time to do the television, so you can have sponsors BEFORE you film the show. (Another big failing of both the NPPL and NXL and Smart Parts shows iis they were all filmed first, and sponsors were sought second. That's silly. Most of the value of your program is in integrated content (on bunkers field, dasher boards, etc), and once you've filmed the show you can' tsell any of that anymore.) The biggest reason my show is profitable is we have a title sponsor BEFORE we film one second of the show, and that sponsor (and other sponsors) are integrated into the rogramming - they're on the bunkers, on the dashrboards, on the starting stations. That's the most valuable asset your program has and you throw it away when you film first.
 

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Two additional things to add, one of which I note is still not being done by anyone;

any decent camera person could have told NPPL, SP, Chi or anyone else that the basic camera orientation is 'birdseye' to 'cu', birdseye to cu, birdseye to cu, cut to commercial.

The only reason I suspect that directors and cameramen are not following this basic sporting convention is because there's more going on on the field than one thing for the closeup to go to.

(No, not bringing the 'multiple focus issue back up again)

At any given time, there might be several interesting things to go for; I see no reason why the BE shot couldn't have voice over that says something like 'we've got multiple key duels going on right now, the snake is heating up and it looks like so-and-so are pushing on the dorito side - let's go check out the snake' - cut to the snake duel, then a little more VO and cut to the dorito duel, and then back to the overhead for the resolution of both.

One thing that complicates this is the ever-changing field layouts and lack of a coherent set of plays. IF, as in other sports, the 'plays' are known beforehand, its much easier for cameramen and directors to catch the flow of the game. When there's a corner kick in soccer, everyone - EVERYONE knows where the kick is coming from, what the defenders are going to do, etc. If there's a cool tussel in front of the goal, the camera is probably already covering it... When the bases are loaded in baseball and the ball gets fielded in the outfield, EVERYONE knows what's going to happen next, depdning on how many outs there are already.

While you can argue that some positions are 'played' pretty much the same way in paintball, you don't know when they're going to be played that way, or even if that spot of the field is going to be used.

The ONE critical thing that no one is using that would make life so much easier for everyone would be coded bunkers. The snake gets a big number 1 on it, etc. Color-coding of the bunkers works as well. There's no doubt in my mind the neophyte viewers have not a clue when told that the action is behind the aztec or homeplate, and also none whatsoever that they would know where to look if the viewer were told the Blue-two aztec.

A large amount of camera time for football, soccer and hockey goes towards arial shots of the field; I think the fact that the action 'stops' at the bunkers has a lot of producers confused, when all they really need to do is go back to the tried and true from other sports.

Guys, the lack of behind shots is EASY to figure out - not of the cameramen want to get hit...

*** - no specific format discussion here, but I think that if we at least went to field layouts that always used the same number and type of bunkers, it would help.
 

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if the camera men and cameras dont want to get hit

how much does a 5 foot by 4 foot thin sheet of transparent perpex cost? i mean if your gona invest all that money whats a few more k to make it 200% better
 

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any decent camera person could have told NPPL, SP, Chi or anyone else that the basic camera orientation is 'birdseye' to 'cu', birdseye to cu, birdseye to cu, cut to commercial.

The only reason I suspect that directors and cameramen are not following this basic sporting convention is because there's more going on on the field than one thing for the closeup to go to.
Actually, the real reason is players are so far apart that when you go bird's-eye in standard def, if you get the whole field in the shot, you can't see the players anymore because they are too small. NPPL tried to overcome this with the icons they put over the players, but you can't watch most of a match like that. It works in sports like football or basketball because the players are in a much smaller area (they're rarely all over the whole field) and in sports like soccer and baseball where the players ARE all over the field, you never see full birds-eye views unless it's from the blimp.

So in standard def, you have to settle with bird's eye of a portion of the field, which everyone is already doing. The Smart Parts show wasn't good at this to start but seem to have figured it out the past couple episodes.

One thing that complicates this is the ever-changing field layouts and lack of a coherent set of plays. IF, as in other sports, the 'plays' are known beforehand, its much easier for cameramen and directors to catch the flow of the game. When there's a corner kick in soccer, everyone - EVERYONE knows where the kick is coming from, what the defenders are going to do, etc. If there's a cool tussel in front of the goal, the camera is probably already covering it... When the bases are loaded in baseball and the ball gets fielded in the outfield, EVERYONE knows what's going to happen next, depdning on how many outs there are already.

While you can argue that some positions are 'played' pretty much the same way in paintball, you don't know when they're going to be played that way, or even if that spot of the field is going to be used.
This doesn't make any sense. *NONE* of the field layouts have changed within a series. WGN: Same. NPPL: Same. SP: Same. The only league that's changed them is NCPA, and that only happened with a year of time in between. Regardless, as far as cameramen and the viewers are concerned, they've only had to learn one set of plays. They don't have any idea that the field layouts at the events they've never seen are different.

The ONE critical thing that no one is using that would make life so much easier for everyone would be coded bunkers. The snake gets a big number 1 on it, etc. Color-coding of the bunkers works as well. There's no doubt in my mind the neophyte viewers have not a clue when told that the action is behind the aztec or homeplate, and also none whatsoever that they would know where to look if the viewer were told the Blue-two aztec.
We color-coded some bunkers in our last show. We'll do more next year when we have a greater variety of sponsors.

Guys, the lack of behind shots is EASY to figure out - not of the cameramen want to get hit...
Which means you have the wrong cameramen.

*** - no specific format discussion here, but I think that if we at least went to field layouts that always used the same number and type of bunkers, it would help.
Bah. What would help is if you didn't start with a film crew that had no paintball experience, or didn't air the first few matches they filmed. What the layout is doesn't matter at all when it's the first layout they've ever seen.
 

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Which means you have the wrong cameramen.
is this not something we should consider then ? perhaps hiring people LIKE people who film for pbstar and whatnot, sure they film from the side, but they are ballers and a few hits here and there with baggy clothes on aint gona send em home crying, specially if there getting paid some mular