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hillbilly

Throwing up on the 50!!!
Jan 12, 2005
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Portsmouth Halloween:

Teams been together since beginning of this season.
Train once a month usually the week before a tournie.
Played 5 legs of NSPL (div 3) placed in all of em.
Also Campaign but was a disaster!!!
Had problems with team injuries and finding a paint brand that doesnt soup up in the guns.
All we wanna do is get better and rise through the ranks!!:)

Problem with training is unless theres someone there who knows what there on about to point out your mistakes your not gonna get to the standard that most ballers wanna be at!!
 

Samurai

www.samuraipaintball.com
May 2, 2005
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www.samuraipaintball.com
Samurai:

Team started around August 2005.

We train at least once a month, twice if we're not playing an event - usually at Dartford.

This year have been playing NSPL Div 3 with some podium finishes & last year we made the quarter finals at the Euro5Man.

Following a training session (run by your good self ;) ) we have been concentrating more on training although we did play Campaign to get a feel for the standards we need to acheive (still some way to go!:( ).

We're aiming to continue bi-monthly training through the off season, and expand our squad to allow us to compete in some more millennium events in 2007, as well as retaining a domestic squad. Unfortunately a number of our current squad can't afford to play the MS.
 

Crusher

Wondering whats next??
Mar 11, 2002
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Illinois
My view

Caterpillar Cats AS A TEAM/FAMILY
Train 2 a month
Twice a week-Something sporty and recreational (not paintball based, soccer, dodgeball, racket ball)
Drills (HR each night, some dry, some with paint) most of us have great backyards.
Drills as a team to the standard or better. (standards reached with game analysis, who got hit where, what DID NOT work, if it worked it worked)
Accepting that YOU are not the best! Working on that criticism!!!

I have now seen both sides, US and UK. I cant comment on Europe as I haven't been there.

I have seen a lot of teams growing and training regularly in the UK and their efforts have been rewarded to a point, (otherwise they would all be in the top flights) then the team spontaneously combusts.

The one thing I have noticed in the US and within the UK teams who are doing well, is that the team doesn't just turn up for training or a tournament then go home. What a lot of the top teams have is the bond beyond the team. They meet outside of paintball, play soccer together, BBQ together, vacation together (or small groups of the team), their lives interlace through paintball and beyond. It bulds a stronger bond, competitive rivalry and above all the thought is of protecting your friends on the field, its no longer about selfish single minded glory runs, leaving the point guy to get beat-down upon while you cover from LONG range.

The bond is what helps a lot, fighting for the 'family', the team, the brothers. It becomes one unit, it becomes second nature to protect and drive up the field. No more "I did this...I shot 27 of them...you should have covered me" they live and die together.

No part of it is the commitments needed to function as a normal person, in the real world. Wives, children, work and life in general. This pulls you away from the commitment required, its happened to me. Now here my friends paintball, we play together, we BBQ together, soccer together, work together, our family's get on together. A tournament is a group of friends getting together and playing together. There is no voice in the back of your head saying, "I must be home by 6 or the misses will kill me!", it is different.

The other thing is the access to good sites at good prices. Kids from 10 years old playing alongside Father and Brothers. The bond is building from then, I couldn't imagine a family going paintball back home regularly.
 

Jasper

Northern Heroes #03
Sep 3, 2003
368
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Carlisle UK
I agree with you there crusher as our team goes out drinking together well the younger ones do an 2 in particular live out of each others pockets (there not gay or owt, Well one definately isnt the other hhhhmmmm not sure yet :p only joking mate). Also 2 are brothers an their father plays, and another father an son play an this son works for the other father. Infact im the odd one out with no family or work connections within the team.

We dont train however we won the uk masters 5man championship an the 3 masters 7 man we played we came 4th, 2nd (losing out on 1st by a body count of 1 to mk storm just after they came back from getting there good result in div2 millenium earlier in the year) an 1st in Div 1. So imagine what we could do if we did train ;)

No excuses for not training like others are putting down. We just dont do it. One or two do every now an then. So as i say no excuses as basically i think if you truley wanted to train you would find a way an nothing would stop you (money or time) if you dont believe that then talk to Dunny about how he got to where he is now.

Training is in the pipeline for next year though.

so for Northern Heroes

Training - none
Results - UKMasters 2006 Champions a 1st,2nd an 4th at 7 man masters (im only listing this years as i only joined this year)
Aspirations - keep winning at this level while hopefully winning at the next too. Train since we dont. (to be honest i'll have to wait for the meeting to find out what were doing next year)
 

Robbo

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Jul 5, 2001
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Training is in the pipeline for next year though.

so for Northern Heroes

Training - none
Results - UKMasters 2006 Champions a 1st,2nd an 4th at 7 man masters (im only listing this years as i only joined this year)
Aspirations - keep winning at this level while hopefully winning at the next too. Train since we dont. (to be honest i'll have to wait for the meeting to find out what were doing next year)
This is what really worries me and I'm afraid is symptomatic of a few of our leagues in that you can get some real success without ever training and is a sad indictment of the true quality of our leagues.
If a team can gain a first, second and a fourth place without training then what does this say about the quality of those leagues?

I would think that the majority of teams who do actually train at least once a month have now listed themselves but I will leave this thread open till this weekend coming and then we'll do the analysis of what all this tells us and also what we can do to put us back on track...hopefully.
 

Jasper

Northern Heroes #03
Sep 3, 2003
368
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Carlisle UK
This is what really worries me and I'm afraid is symptomatic of a few of our leagues in that you can get some real success without ever training and is a sad indictment of the true quality of our leagues.
If a team can gain a first, second and a fourth place without training then what does this say about the quality of those leagues?
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Glad i was able to give you a good example to work from :rolleyes: Sorry to make it sound worse for you Robbo but the 1st,2nd an 4th was just the 3 7man we played. Over the entire 5man season we won the championship by 10 points over the 8 rounds.

I totally agree the standard of the leagues in this country are poor, personnally i would have said there are a couple of half decent teams playing in each of the 3 leagues. (im not counting the top am teams or pro that only play international)

I have said it before an i'll say it again there needs to be 1 league in the country so the handfull of decent teams play each other.
We would like to play some of the teams in the PA div1 an southern league but the whole rulings they have of starting in the bottom div an only moving up each year stops us as we would be playing teams that would be im sorry to say to easy for us an so not worth it.

My point of posting the 1st time was we have done what we did this season with no training an quite a number of teams cant do that even with the training they say they do so knowing how to train is key otherwise its not worth doing. We are training for next year as we aim to step up as we know to do that we need to train.
 

Dark Warrior

www.paintballscene.co.uk
Nov 28, 2002
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..........so for Northern Heroes

Training - none
Results - UKMasters 2006 Champions a 1st,2nd an 4th at 7 man masters (im only listing this years as i only joined this year)
Aspirations - keep winning at this level while hopefully winning at the next too. Train since we dont. (to be honest i'll have to wait for the meeting to find out what were doing next year)
You guys may not have trained, but you sure aint a bunch of rookies. Each one of you was already of a high standard when you formed Northern Heroes. The fact that you did not train just means that you really under achieved this year.:p
Still where does that leave the rest of us??

With a lot of work to do still :mad:
 

FAMINE

Pretty boy
Jul 10, 2001
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Cambridge
www.teamapoc.co.uk
Apocalypse

Train weekly with various members of the Squad
Formed in 1999/2000 and have pretty much never had any squad number problems.
Currently have 24 active players.

Some wins, some loses. but its the team that counts for us :D

Though with training this year all the squads have gone from strength to strength!
 

Iron Lions - Ed

Active Member
Oct 16, 2003
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www.ironlions.co.uk
We would like to play some of the teams in the PA div1 an southern league but the whole rulings they have of starting in the bottom div an only moving up each year stops us
Aren't you already? I think come the off season if a number of teams are looking to join the PA resulting in the division sizes increasing they would look to seed teams direct into an appropriate division instead of blindly promoting extra teams and putting in all the new ones in a bottom division. Can't hurt to ask!
 

Robbo

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You guys may not have trained, but you sure aint a bunch of rookies. Each one of you was already of a high standard when you formed Northern Heroes. The fact that you did not train just means that you really under achieved this year.:p
Still where does that leave the rest of us??

With a lot of work to do still :mad:
DW, I think the point is, any team who gains such a significant degree of success in what is supposed to be a competitive environment can only indicate a depressed level of play within that league.
We need a systematic change to our leagues and teams if we are to ever have any real aspirations for becoming competitive in the European environment.

The only real gem of genuine Brit success I can glean form European Paintball at the moment is the Kelly's.
Div one of the Millennium is truly competitive and for them to turn up at Campaign with the job they had to do, and then do it in the fashion they did, does indicate true class and I think they will become the pre-eminent Brit Pro team if they can back-fill those last few jigsaw pieces.

We obviously saw the likes of brat pack NK strutting their stuff in the M5 and I hope they can keep that momentum going to carry over into the more competitive environment of the amateur divisions because for those kids to show that sort of success at that age does bode well for the future.

Shockwave started the season with a bang and ended on a fizzle which is surprising because of the sheer amount of practice those guys were putting in, especially just prior to Campaign.
I think Shock practiced more than any other UK team coming into Campaign and if anything, their line up is stronger than when they started the season and yet they finished weaker.

It's obvious where their problems lay because their individual levels of play are high, they just have to toughen up mentally to allow a consistent performance to surface instead of buckling sometimes when they have a bad result.

But apart from these, things look bleak unless we begin to change grass roots tourney paintball and what is immediately obvious to me at least is the number of teams we have training quite regularly who maybe show some success in the PA, NSPL, Masters, whatever but when it comes to stepping up into the real leagues (no disrespect intended to anyone here) then this jump into Millennium mode tends to highlight our real levels of play ..... which is basically abysmal.

This can only mean one of two things, either we are inherently crap players or we are training incorrectly.
I will let you guys make the obvious conclusion from those two options.

If we truly have these number of teams committing to this level of improvement and training then something is seriously wrong with the way these going are doing it because Nexus did the sh1t they did in 2003 with training no more than once every 3 weeks if I think back across that entire first year.

I will add something however, it's no good just going thru the motions of training, you have to have that mindset, that greed for success, that drive to compete.
Go watch Kellys play if you need to tap into what I am talking about here, they might not have the organizational infrastructure or sophistication of play but what those guys do have is raw talent, raw aggression and a very real raw commitment to attack.
It oozes out of them, before, during and after the games, I have smelt it on them. I smelt it on them at Campaign, it's no coincidence they won... it truly isn't.
Now enough already of this back-slapping them northern monkeys, people might think I am going soft if I continue in that vein but hey, I see a lot of my first-year Nexus in those guys, I just hope they now get the support from the industry to allow that raw talent to flourish.

Back to the rest of us.........as I said, I will let this thread run out till after the weekend and then I will come back in with a few suggestions.