"outlaw" paintball

[BaconDude]

Also, having read your post more in depth, this discussion is NOT about me, as I said in the first post I read about it on uk scenario. There is no need to get all personal mate it is just a debate

I wasn't trying to go personal buddy

I just figured that paintball prices are set at the price they are to cover what they have to.

Sorry if I appeared to be attacking you

Oh, and it's not really that relevant and may be a bit over-the-top to suggest it, but even though it is private land you could play on; consider firearms laws. A bunch of my mates were using airsoft guns in a local field and suddenly found a couple of armed police pointing very real guns at them (muppets). I'm sure we all know that an airsoft gun can look very real, and markers can, but generally don't, unless you try and make them look that way. Some people aren't away of that, and if a person of the public sees you, they could freak out a bit.

 

[niallist]

Can I ask you what you are trying to achieve with this line of "debate".

it has now been pointed out on 2 separate forums that it is , overwhelmingly, a bad idea.

The amount of people that you think it may attract into the sport is infinitesimal. The amount of people that it could upset if it goes wrong is beyond estimation.

In any risk assessment, the risk has to be weighed against the possible benefit/ability to operate.

The risk is too high. the benefit is too low. QED. Don't do it.

(I know you keep saying you aren't going to but hey, why do you keep banging on about it?)

Also I'm not sure what you were implying by asking Timboy if he is a site owner but I will leave him to answer that particular question.

 

[Bullseye]

No worries mate. The guy who originally started it all just wanted to play more, to get better or just for the love. I just think it's a shame he can't and hope that he does not lose interest, don't want another quitting sale popping up in the classifieds

 

[Bullseye]

Can I ask you what you are trying to achieve with this line of "debate".
(I know you keep saying you aren't going to but hey, why do you keep banging on about it?)
Also I'm not sure what you were implying by asking Timboy if he is a site owner but I will leave him to answer that particular question.

1. Debate was prob wrong word, just talking about the subject, I am not batting on the for side

2. It interested me and wanted peoples opinions on it, I'm "banging on about it" as the thread name is that of the subject

3. I was implying nothing, just wanted to see if the views of site owners differed from those of players

 

[Tom]

Surely it's up to the individual to protect loss of earnings etc like all other sports.

Any insurance has a minimum criteria, e.g. trip over and hurt your ankle putting you off work for a cuople of days = tough
Get an injury rendering you out of work for months, or permanently disabling yourself can cause you to default on your mortgage & become homeless. Your problem - but that is why we pay for sports or life insurance.
Get injured by someone else, then you still have to support yourself while you sue the culprit

And could the landowner not have a disclaimer against injuring yourself on his grounds?
The landowner can have a disclaimer but is it worth the paper it is written on?
A paintball disclaimer only gets you to agree that you realise paintball can result in injuries and that you are fit enough to take part, so you don't think you can sue for stupid reasons - e.g. a page 3 stunner playing paintball then complaining they cannot work because they got shot and covered in bruises.
I can get you to sign a disclaimer stating you have no comeback against me for absolutely anything then punch you in the face. What do you do?
Which would just leave cover for the "club"
The 'club' could have a disclaimer as well. What does it achieve? Who would underwrite an amateur and potentialy risky setup
Please be aware (although prob painfully blatant) I have no idea about insurance for paintball.

If you can find land that won't cause paintball to be a criminal or ASBO offence, won't result in a police response, and a landowner that will let you play, plus can supply the gear & players, the resources such as paint and air/CO2. Other factors such as chrono and general safety then you may be able to play outlaw paintball in the UK.

Responses on this thread and the UKScenario thread (plus the original poster on UKS also brought it up in a US forum) recommend against it.

If applicable a more reasonable setup is a training area for a tournament team - this does not necessarily require paintballs to be shot as it could be an open area for practice drills.

 

[BaconDude]

If you can find land that won't cause paintball to be a criminal or ASBO offence, won't result in a police response, and a landowner that will let you play, plus can supply the gear & players, the resources such as paint and air/CO2. Other factors such as chrono and general safety then you may be able to play outlaw paintball in the UK.

Sounds like a paintball site

 

[niallist]

Talking about something is fair enough but when the overwhelming weight of evidence is pointing in the direction of not doing it then surely there comes a point when you concede. Hence the use of "banging on about it".

The reason you will get some quite militant views on this subject is that any encouragement of this POV could lead to people, other than your good self, who may see it as an inspiration.

As regards point 3, good, as i would hate to think you were implying any sort of "vested interest" argument. You would be (very) wrong if you were, but apparently you weren't, so that's all good.

Sorry to jump down your throat but this is quite important so expect a robust argument.

 

[Bullseye]

Punch you back joking aside that was quite informative. What to take from this? There is no way round it, just can't be done (without possible repercussions)

 

[Bullseye]

Talking about something is fair enough but when the overwhelming weight of evidence is pointing in the direction of not doing it then surely there comes a point when you concede.[\QUOTE]

Just read this after I posted last post. I have got to that point. I have conceded

Thanks to everyone for the input

 

[niallist]

Credit to you for doing so (finally, lol). Stick around, see you on the field.

; )