"outlaw" paintball

[Bullseye]

Timboy, are you a site owner?

 

[BaconDude]

Let's say theoretically renegade paintball is 100% safe. You're safe, public is safe, cut the rubbish and just say it's fine.

You're still taking money away from paintball site owners who have overheads to cover and mouths to feed. If you want to support the sport, you need to use your local site.

If you're strapped for cash, as has been said, there are plenty of options for the more budget side of things if you have your own kit. And if you play regularly without your own kit and rent it all, then that's your tough luck and you'll have to pay the expensive side of things.

 

[Biscuit]

timboy is a site owner and runs shoreline which organises some of the largest
scenario games in the country

 

[Bullseye]

Let's say theoretically renegade paintball is 100% safe. You're safe, public is safe, cut the rubbish and just say it's fine.

You're still taking money away from paintball site owners who have overheads to cover and mouths to feed. If you want to support the sport, you need to use your local site.

If you're strapped for cash, as has been said, there are plenty of options for the more budget side of things if you have your own kit. And if you play regularly without your own kit and rent it all, then that's your tough luck and you'll have to pay the expensive side of things.

Not true. People would still go to walk ons etc once month as they would normally. It just means they can play more often, and they are buying balls etc from the retailers. Doing it this way is just about affording to play more and get better so want to play even more and then enter comps

 

[Bullseye]

Let's say theoretically renegade paintball is 100% safe. You're safe, public is safe, cut the rubbish and just say it's fine.

You're still taking money away from paintball site owners who have overheads to cover and mouths to feed. If you want to support the sport, you need to use your local site.

If you're strapped for cash, as has been said, there are plenty of options for the more budget side of things if you have your own kit. And if you play regularly without your own kit and rent it all, then that's your tough luck and you'll have to pay the expensive side of things.

Also, having read your post more in depth, this discussion is NOT about me, as I said in the first post I read about it on uk scenario. There is no need to get all personal mate it is just a debate

 

[Thib]

It can be safely done, but never a federation will agree with it for a really easy reason:
If there is an accident (or not an accident ...), nothing will cover you. Insurance doesn't care about nets, mask or anything.
An accident happened, it's not writen black on white in your contract , so they won't give a penny for it.
Let's say the guy having troubles complain he read on the federation website it was okay to do if in full respect of safety rules, they would be taken to court and loose more than they have ....

It might not worth it to spend years in jail, or in debt for your life, for having saved £10 a month.
Life you can take away or ruin (including yours) might worth more than a couple of pounds.

Please note this is as part of the debate, not targeted to you personally.

 

[Robbo]

Let's say theoretically renegade paintball is 100% safe. You're safe, public is safe, cut the rubbish and just say it's fine.

You're still taking money away from paintball site owners who have overheads to cover and mouths to feed. If you want to support the sport, you need to use your local site.

If you're strapped for cash, as has been said, there are plenty of options for the more budget side of things if you have your own kit. And if you play regularly without your own kit and rent it all, then that's your tough luck and you'll have to pay the expensive side of things.

In general, our site owners would sell thier grandmothers to shave a tenth of a penny off a paintball and so I'm not so sure appealing to people's philanthropic sides is gonna prove that succesful .. the main consideration in this instance is and has to be safety, and not the financial welfare of our site owners ... they do very well thankyou and for the most part, put bugger all back into the sport .. it all goes into their back pocket .. and stays there.

 

[Bullseye]

It can be safely done, but never a federation will agree with it for a really easy reason:
If there is an accident (or not an accident ...), nothing will cover you. Insurance doesn't care about nets, mask or anything.

Please note this is as part of the debate, not targeted to you personally.

Could then say a group of 20 people not get insurance and split the cost thus becoming like an annual fee? This (basing it in what I pay for insurance) would still be cheaper than playing more on sites more often.

Please note that I do NOT do this and am not thinking of doing it, I am happy with how much I play, time is more of a factor for me. Just got me wondering (lethal in itself) that's all. We would all like to see growth and, I personally feel, the only way is to get more people playing more often. Though I could be wrong

 

[Tom]

Could then say a group of 20 people not get insurance and split the cost thus becoming like an annual fee? This (basing it in what I pay for insurance) would still be cheaper than playing more on sites more often.

Probably not - what insurance do you have?

In very basic terms there are two types of insurance in paintball:

The individuals insurance - covering your own loss of earnings etc should you have an accident, and covering your liability should you injure someone. e.g life insurance / sports insurance.
UKPSF membership includes such insurance but covers you only at approved sites that meet UKPSF criteria (This criteria includes safety measues and the venue having appropriate insurance)

The venues insurance - this covers the venue for liabilities, and to get this type of insurance the venue will need the appropriate measures and procedures to reduce the need.

 

[Bullseye]

Surely it's up to the individual to protect loss of earnings etc like all other sports. And could the landowner not have a disclaimer against injuring yourself on his grounds?
Which would just leave cover for the "club"

Please be aware (although prob painfully blatant) I have no idea about insurance for paintball.