Question ...

[Robbo]

My other half sometimes watches that program 'My big fat gypsy wedding' and when I've walked in the front room and it's been on, I have ended up walking right back out again because it pisses me off for several reasons .. but that's not important.

What is important is this; I try not to be a racist but I am damned sure there are people out there who would call me a racist and others might well not, I suppose it depends upon their perspective but my question is this ... If we have say, 10 races / cultures that live in a place called La La Land ... just supposing ... now, if we do some research on the behaviors of these peoples and we find, that Race X commit significantly more crimes than the other races of that land .... the figures are deemed significant because they are done on a pro rata basis for each race and therefore any significance in data variance will be shown.

Now, am I being racist in suggesting Race x are more prone to commit crime than other races?

PS And as I have mentioned before in another post somewhere, it would be pretty hard for me to be a fully paid up member of Racist Monthly being as my wife is Anglo-Indian ....

 

[Dusty]

Not at all, plus in the next generation of La La Landers, the offspring of Race x will be of the same characteristics as it's what they know, what they're taught etc etc.

I watched a bit of it too and while that twit who organised the Appleby horse thing was standing arguing with the pub owner about being "law abiding" another young fella in the back ground (also a gypsy) just snorted and muttered "law abiding" then walked off laughing.

 

[CraigofScotland]

You could call it a demographic rather than a race. Colour of skin/race doesnt have much to do with it, more where they are from/background/upbringing . . which does have some racial inuendo of course as any group of people will no doubt be of a similar racial background, but certainly not pre programmed.

If I took a different race child and bring them up as my child, they would be the same as my own. Whereas if some other demographic adopted my kid, it could be the case that they became what they know rather than their race.

 

[smudge1985]

Notice how the men don't disclose their names and faces as it could damage their 'career'. As in the old bill finding out who they are.

 

[Mario]

I hate white people.

 

[Robbo]

You could call it a demographic rather than a race. Colour of skin/race doesn't have much to do with it, more where they are from/background/upbringing . . which does have some racial inuendo of course as any group of people will no doubt be of a similar racial background, but certainly not pre programmed.

If I took a different race child and bring them up as my child, they would be the same as my own. Whereas if some other demographic adopted my kid, it could be the case that they became what they know rather than their race.

Craig, read my words carefully mate ....we can call it anything we like but I am talking about a certain race [or culture] of people exhibiting defining trends in behaviour as exampled by information gained from crime reports ... those being, Race x has three times the likelihood of having a criminal record ... now you can wrap that up any way you like so as not to face up to the fact it's a racial trait but the truth is there [in this hypothetical situation anyway].

We can conclude that a particular race will have a particular upbringing that will correspond in some way to their cultural habits.
It's no good suggesting the notion of replacability [you putting your kid into their culture etc] because their culture and their race go hand in hand, they are synonymous ..... nobody is going round to these people's houses making them commit crimes, they do this of their own volition and do so according to their moral and social value set which is an emergent property of their culture/race ... trying to disassociate culture and race is distracting for obvious reasons, it gets in the way of the truth and serves only to obfuscate.

 

[dodge-gnome]

Your LaLa land analogy does work however, you're suggesting all the races are enclosed into one community, in which yes that may work, but realistically it's not an accurate measurement.

You can't really just put it down to race. One of my closest friends at school was black, doesn't mean he's twice as likely break into someone's house than i am. If my friend grew up in a council flat in s****horpe surrounded by violence and other people his age acting like a dick, then of course he may end up like them - but he isn't, because of his surrounding area where he was brought up and lives. Now luckily i live in a fairly nice area, so we don't have as much gang violence as a city center, but it does contribute to the behavioral patterns.
Of course peer pressure does add to it, and idolism; following the whole "G-unit gangsta' style" many people follow with their friends. And yes, a black kid is probably more likely to want to be like 50 cent than a white kid, and may want to follow in everything he does, but how he acts is again down to upbringings and surroundings, not the colour of his skin

 

[basktm]

i think what robbo was getting at was not skin colour or anything in particular, more as a majority.

And i agree, that some races/colours/ethnic backgrounds or country of origin (trying to cover everybody in this) have significant less morals than maybe the basic English race, say you or me.

I do think its down to upbringing as a whole but more so the values that are taught, which are different to every culture, for instance the British/ English are known throughout the world as the "keep quite and deal with it" type person, Americans are always saying how we tend to keep stum, get a bad meal or such and as a race we very rarely complain. more so keep quite and just not go their again, we are also known as the quite mannered, as a whole we say please and thank you a lot more than most.

but other cultures are brought up to be outspoken and in your face, i think the problem now a days is everyone is put in a category and what ever you say or do will offend one of those category's, and then you get called a racist or some type.

i think the PC thing has produced a whole lot more trouble because half the time we have to watch or be scared of what we say for offending others, which in all likely hood was never intended that way, like i expect this will be interpreted as offensive to some.

but not meant that way just my own opinion, which i do believe every living person has the right to have one without others jumping or deeming them this or that.

 

[Buddha 3]

I do think its down to upbringing as a whole but more so the values that are taught, which are different to every culture, for instance the British/ English are known throughout the world as the "keep quite and deal with it" type person, Americans are always saying how we tend to keep stum, get a bad meal or such and as a race we very rarely complain. more so keep quite and just not go their again, we are also known as the quite mannered, as a whole we say please and thank you a lot more than most.

Really? Where I live the English are mostly known as the staggeringly drunk, coffeeshop visiting, whore frequenting, young males.

Seriously though, behavioral patterns have zero to do with race and everything to do with socio-economic/cultural parameters. Sure, in some cases culture is almost synonimous with race, but they are not the same. White kids growing up in low income, high crime areas are just as likely to turn to a live of crime as, say, a black kid.
So yeah, there may a relationship between race and criminal tendency, but it's a correlation, not causal.

If you want to turn it into an experiment, you'd have to create an artificial environment where all kids, regardless of race, are brought up in exactly the same way (if possible by the same people), in exactly the same surroundings. Even then you'd still need a rather large selection of kids from each race in order to prove anything.

That said, there certainly are differences between races. On avarage, mainland Europeans are far larger than Southeast Asians. Black people tend to have smaller calves in proportion to their bodies when compared to other races.
All these differences are physical though, not behavioral.

 

[basktm]

Really? Where I live the English are mostly known as the staggeringly drunk, coffeeshop visiting, whore frequenting, young males.

where did you see me too then, you been following me