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Andy Steele

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Anything involving any types of race can be frowned upon nowadays. You can't say "black" nowadays without someone throwing a frown your way.

You cant(or it's frowned upon) call a child or person from a mixed race family half cast anymore! But yet we all call people that are The colour brown black!?

We live in an over PC world where people are so cautious about other races, that any mention or any conversation can turn out in a person being labeled a racist. It's crazy
 
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Super Tit

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A complete no brainer. Of course you're not racist if you quote sources and statistics in a statement e.g. group X is statistically more likely to be involved in activity Y. A gross generalisation about a group not based on any scientifically quantifiable research but rather on prejudice, hate and ignorance would be the opposite.
 

Penfold

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All I can say is that in my job we/I watch every gypsy/traveller/term-of-choice that comes in the building because a staggering majority of them are going to be nicking stuff.
Am I being racist? I don't think so. Maybe I'm steriotyping, but that's because it works. (It has nothing to do with the fact that a few nights ago two lovely Irish ladies told me that they're going to stab me in a dark alley on the way home. Honest.)

All in all, we probably get more British people stealing than any other race/culture, it won't ever stop anyone else coming out with "you're only stopping me because I'm asian/black/whatever", and are more than happy to tell the Police that, too. Does this mean we're racist against white people?

I imagine we've all gone a little PC crazy, but it's the world we live in and it could be much worse.
 

SabreWolf

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Now, am I being racist in suggesting Race x are more prone to commit crime than other races?

I wouldnt say that is being racist in any shape or form, when people throw in the "thats racist" card, it is usually because they dont want to hear or like or want to accept the facts put before them and that is typical of how ridiculously "PC" this country has become.

It's like a shield to some people.
 

Robbo

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The relationship between race and crime is not causal. It's a correlation.
Culture and crime on the other hand...

100% agree Jay but .... [you know I'd come up with one :)] is there a case to answer whereby the correlation becomes something that is synonymous and can we also suggest that a cultural trait is an emergent property of race in that if one is born into Race X, part of that race's culture is to commit crime ..... with these points being understood [not agreed upon though, I am not trying to put words into your mouth here] is there a point where cultural behaviours become racial traits?
 

Robbo

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Your LaLa land analogy does work however, you're suggesting all the races are enclosed into one community, in which yes that may work, but realistically it's not an accurate measurement.
Sorry Dodge, but you are wrong mate, as a measurement, it's one '100%' accurate; I think what you are suggesting is. the interpretation is skewed .. these are two entirely different tihngs mate and they need to be distinguished here.

You can't really just put it down to race.
Oh but I can .. in the example mentoined.


One of my closest friends at school was black, doesn't mean he's twice as likely break into someone's house than i am. If my friend grew up in a council flat in s****horpe surrounded by violence and other people his age acting like a dick, then of course he may end up like them - but he isn't, because of his surrounding area where he was brought up and lives. Now luckily i live in a fairly nice area, so we don't have as much gang violence as a city center, but it does contribute to the behavioral patterns.
Of course peer pressure does add to it, and idolism; following the whole "G-unit gangsta' style" many people follow with their friends. And yes, a black kid is probably more likely to want to be like 50 cent than a white kid, and may want to follow in everything he does, but how he acts is again down to upbringings and surroundings, not the colour of his skin

By asking this question indicates to me you haven' quite grasped what I am stating, or indeed any of the conclusions you can reasonably draw.

And just to try and show how you've misunderstood, I'll ask you a question:- You admit freely a black kid will tend to follow individuals like 50 cent as against white kids [this is not an absolute I know but I genuinely believe it be significant] ... where do you think kids derive their moral codes?

Do you believe that role models do not posses the ability to influence people's behaviour profiles? ..... If you do then it flies in the face of all commonsense and certainly most available data.
If you believe role models do affect behaviours then you can only conclude from the examples you have presented, there is a racial element in certain behaviours ....

It's like saying if A>B and B>C then A must be > C .... well, in my old head is :)

And don't forget here, we are talking about the hypothetical example I drafted earlier ..

You can't have it both ways Dodge I'm afraid .....
 

Super Tit

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100% agree Jay but .... [you know I'd come up with one :)] is there a case to answer whereby the correlation becomes something that is synonymous and can we also suggest that a cultural trait is an emergent property of race in that if one is born into Race X, part of that race's culture is to commit crime ..... with these points being understood [not agreed upon though, I am not trying to put words into your mouth here] is there a point where cultural behaviours become racial traits?
I would argue that that kind of process takes thousands of years to happen- as a race we're still coming to terms with the change from hunter-gathering to farming so you're not going to see it happening over night in a population.

All Australians criminals?