Sportman-like conduct

[Echowitch]

Oops! Look what you started Echowitch, Lol

Well, dead mans aside, I thought it was a great atmosphere, everyone came and shook hands after each game, teams were helping out other teams.....very friendly! Ledz also lent me his pack (thank you Ledz!), so I was only doing the same

I guess we will all have to practice the DMW for next time

LOL I started a positive thread about good acts from people at Campaign and it devolved in to a whinge thread about dead mans walks on its own lol

Seems the Ref's need educating on the whole new battery in Etek's issue just so as to allow players to fix it themselves. Its a simple thing to forget and not something people should be penalised for.

 

[Exile]

Seems the Ref's need educating on the whole new battery in Etek's issue just so as to allow players to fix it themselves. Its a simple thing to forget and not something people should be penalised for.

No - the refs should concentrate on the game rules and players should educate themselves about their markers and how to make them legal after changing batteries etc.

 

[Echowitch]

No - the refs should concentrate on the game rules and players should educate themselves about their markers and how to make them legal after changing batteries etc.

Ok fair point and quite correct, but I was trying to say that the ref's shouldn't ban someone for something so simple. The Loki player was banned, my guy got told to go fix it. Bit of a difference.

 

[Nicky T]

I am blaming no one apart from the player him self, when he sticks his hand in the air so our team looks the other way to shoot the rest of his team because of the fast pace of the game you just move to the next target,

Yeah fair enough its a lesson learned and it wont happen again but then we will be branned a team who over shoots dead players but i would rather be that and taken for a sucker next time.

Its just gets you Owen, after doing so well to be knocked out like that it still hurts and i don't play any more i coach the other side to were it happened but it is seeing our team broken after it what has got to me hope you understand that.

Markie you don't have be branded anything, other than a team that wants to win......

The rules will ALWAYS facilitate players who want to appear to be eliminated, as there are no specifications for how quickly you must move on field or indeed leave a bunker. I've done my fair share of DMW's in my time (admittedly when it was "acceptable" and not regarded as unsportsmanlike) and always argued that aspect and never once was denied the opportunity to do it. Unfortunately i do not see how any series can successfully outlaw it easily.

Hand on head is the ONLY sign of an eliminated player in the Millennium Series, regardless of the division. If their hand isn't on their head then you're fully entitled to give them a pot, goggle or gun shot (less likely to bounce) to encourage them to do so. There is absolutely no need to overshoot anyone, as it's a unecessary risk when one ball will do the job.

Nicky T

 

[Exile]

Ok fair point and quite correct, but I was trying to say that the ref's shouldn't ban someone for something so simple. The Loki player was banned, my guy got told to go fix it. Bit of a difference.

It also depends when the gun is "caught" - before the game, the player has not had an advantage and the refs will nearly always let the gun be adjusted/swapped out.
During or after a game, then a ban is warranted as the player has had an unfair/illegal advantage.

Markie you don't have be branded anything, other than a team that wants to win......

The rules will ALWAYS facilitate players who want to appear to be eliminated, as there are no specifications for how quickly you must move on field or indeed leave a bunker. I've done my fair share of DMW's in my time (admittedly when it was "acceptable" and not regarded as unsportsmanlike) and always argued that aspect and never once was denied the opportunity to do it. Unfortunately i do not see how any series can successfully outlaw it easily.

Hand on head is the ONLY sign of an eliminated player in the Millennium Series, regardless of the division. If their hand isn't on their head then you're fully entitled to give them a pot, goggle or gun shot (less likely to bounce) to encourage them to do so. There is absolutely no need to overshoot anyone, as it's a unecessary risk when one ball will do the job.

Nicky T

Couldn't have put it better - it's why I always tell my guys not to do that "pro-yank" wave thing and just get their hand on their head and get off the field when hit.

 

[Rabies]

Being old school, I'm not quite sure why DMWs attract quite so much opprobrium over any other type of sneaky manoeuvre -- the rules are quite clear about how a player should indicate they are eliminated, and one of the head refs specifically instructed us, "if the player does not have his hand on his head, shoot him." Natch. DMWs will come back to punish you, especially in a multiple point format where you'll be facing the same team again 2 minutes later. However, it is clear that DMWs are seen as more "unsportsmanlike" these days than they once were, and (while I never believed there was any point in creating rules specifically against them) I wouldn't try to argue the case for them to be acceptible -- it's always been a grey area, and it certainly doesn't make you any new friends.

On other points in the thread -- if a gun on field is illegal, that is entirely the player's fault and, whether intentional or not, warrants an appropriate penalty. It is not a ref's job to educate players, nor to provide technical assistance with their equipment.

And lastly back to the original point: it almost doesn't need to be said what sportsmen the Operation Sandbag guys are -- they have always been the good guys and it's heart-warming to read how they agreed to settle the tie, even though the rules would have put them through automatically by the arbitrary nature of alphabetical seeding.

Richard

 

[Missy-Q]

I am blaming no one apart from the player him self, when he sticks his hand in the air so our team looks the other way to shoot the rest of his team because of the fast pace of the game you just move to the next target,

Yeah fair enough its a lesson learned and it wont happen again but then we will be branned a team who over shoots dead players but i would rather be that and taken for a sucker next time.

Its just gets you Owen, after doing so well to be knocked out like that it still hurts and i don't play any more i coach the other side to were it happened but it is seeing our team broken after it what has got to me hope you understand that.

Hey, I'm not saying it doesn't suck, far from it.

 

[Missy-Q]

are you being serious?!
you would look up to someone that did this?
no one ever made a name for themselves in paintball by walking around the sidelines
they are cheating themselves and also making their teammates look like t**ts

Actually several players have made a name for themselves in this way. Several teams have won events off the back of a DMW.

Anyway, you quoted me out of context. He would be a hero to his team-mates, not to me, but then he was trying to be a hero for his team, and not to anyone else, including either of us.

Plus, are you saying that a DMW is not allowed as per the rules? Because if it isn't specifically disallowed in the rules then he isn't cheating. I could also argue that if the team progressed, they would not look like tits. They would look like winners, at least to the majority.

there's no point getting all bent out of shape about a DMW. Every now and again someone pulls one off. Most of the time they get hosed. Its a risky move and whatever you may think, I think it takes some balls.

 

[Missy-Q]

Being old school, I'm not quite sure why DMWs attract quite so much opprobrium over any other type of sneaky manoeuvre -- the rules are quite clear about how a player should indicate they are eliminated, and one of the head refs specifically instructed us, "if the player does not have his hand on his head, shoot him." Natch. DMWs will come back to punish you, especially in a multiple point format where you'll be facing the same team again 2 minutes later. However, it is clear that DMWs are seen as more "unsportsmanlike" these days than they once were, and (while I never believed there was any point in creating rules specifically against them) I wouldn't try to argue the case for them to be acceptible -- it's always been a grey area, and it certainly doesn't make you any new friends.

On other points in the thread -- if a gun on field is illegal, that is entirely the player's fault and, whether intentional or not, warrants an appropriate penalty. It is not a ref's job to educate players, nor to provide technical assistance with their equipment.

And lastly back to the original point: it almost doesn't need to be said what sportsmen the Operation Sandbag guys are -- they have always been the good guys and it's heart-warming to read how they agreed to settle the tie, even though the rules would have put them through automatically by the arbitrary nature of alphabetical seeding.

Richard

I totally agree with all of this..

 

[John C]

I totally agree with all of this..

Yeah especially the part about multi format matches.

Back in the day when it was 1 game even for the finals, DMWs were very effective. A well executed DMW really could make the better team lose.


Every time it happened to me the feeling of injustice fades and you just left feeling like you wont let it happen again.