What does a team need to succeed?
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I knew I had a celebrity endorsement somewhere.
'now K2 is one of the great up and coming young teams that seem to be erupting from the north of England at the moment. They are keen, receptive and sure can play ball,'
Pete Robinson, issue 160 paintball games international July 02 ;0)
'now K2 is one of the great up and coming young teams that seem to be erupting from the north of England at the moment. They are keen, receptive and sure can play ball,'
Pete Robinson, issue 160 paintball games international July 02 ;0)
Bloody 'eck JJ, you sure got some memory and .... some back issues of PGi
And Yes, I sure did say that and I meant it .......
I just wished Al's [Woods] retirement had been put back a few years though; Al was good for our sport and his departure left a hole that's for sure
I agree Pete along with latham and skidder.
Unfortunately, like many, they became a victims of real life with houses, wives, jobs etc.
Some of us took the right path and got their wives playing in order to extend their youth a bit longer :0)
I think that may be another for the list - enough cash to remove all money worries
Unfortunately, like many, they became a victims of real life with houses, wives, jobs etc.
Some of us took the right path and got their wives playing in order to extend their youth a bit longer :0)
I think that may be another for the list - enough cash to remove all money worries
With no disrespect to K2's other members, I think Chris, Al and Skidder were the backbone of that team both in terms of playing skills and also mentality - when those guys played well, they were a joy to watch - it's a shame to witness their departure from our sport for whatever reasons.
I gotta take issue here with the suggested attribute of 'heart'; some people have suggested you need it to win events or indeed to be successful [same thing in my book].
Let's assume for the purposes of this post, success actually means winning things'.
We can obviously define success in terms of 'enjoying playing' in which case, this doesn't have to have anything to do with winning anything though I am sure Dynasty have enjoyed winning their trophies.
The point here is, a team who has won diddly-squat can still enjoy all of their games and in this sense are hugely successful but as I say, this is not what we are talking about here because in this case, success = winning.
OK, I have a problem with the use of the word 'heart' because I think it's being used in the same context as when it's applied to some other sports such as football and if so, this is definitely not the case.
'Heart' in football terms explains why Scotland can compete [for the most part, though not win] against England ...heart is what explains why local derbies are so unpredictable no matter what the skill differential .... it's all about motivation here because if you have a huge incentive [as the Jocks do when they play us English] then this 'heart' can make them run further for longer, it provides the determination to close down opponents where before, that run may not have bothered to exert themselves to that degree.
The willingness to go that extra mile is so evident in matches such as Scotland v England or Arsenal v Spurs, Celtic v Rangers and so on ...... Heart is a derivative of not wanting to lose ...cubed.... and this type confrontation will always generate that type reaction.
Ironically, 'heart' in this sense, has a huge emotional component and it is this emotion that then goes onto generate heart and if I wanna go 'all biochemical' on your ass, it suggests adrenaline could well provide the hormonal impetus [and energy] for that 'extra mile'.
When we play paintball, there is little opportunity to 'go that extra mile' in terms of on-field behaviours in that same vein as when it's applied to football.
Physical exertion in paintball is sporadic and infrequent, I agree that near the end of the day, people get tired and maybe there we have a small window of opportunity to maybe make that 'extra' run that could be an emergent property of heart but as I said earlier, there is little overall opportunity.
If people want a definitive list that best describes what's needed for a successful team, here is my list.
In no particular order :-
1. Talent.
2. Dedication.
3. Professionalism.
4. Focus [generally provided by the alpha male / coach / owner].
Everything else is peripheral and of lesser importance [IMHO].
Let's assume for the purposes of this post, success actually means winning things'.
We can obviously define success in terms of 'enjoying playing' in which case, this doesn't have to have anything to do with winning anything though I am sure Dynasty have enjoyed winning their trophies.
The point here is, a team who has won diddly-squat can still enjoy all of their games and in this sense are hugely successful but as I say, this is not what we are talking about here because in this case, success = winning.
OK, I have a problem with the use of the word 'heart' because I think it's being used in the same context as when it's applied to some other sports such as football and if so, this is definitely not the case.
'Heart' in football terms explains why Scotland can compete [for the most part, though not win] against England ...heart is what explains why local derbies are so unpredictable no matter what the skill differential .... it's all about motivation here because if you have a huge incentive [as the Jocks do when they play us English] then this 'heart' can make them run further for longer, it provides the determination to close down opponents where before, that run may not have bothered to exert themselves to that degree.
The willingness to go that extra mile is so evident in matches such as Scotland v England or Arsenal v Spurs, Celtic v Rangers and so on ...... Heart is a derivative of not wanting to lose ...cubed.... and this type confrontation will always generate that type reaction.
Ironically, 'heart' in this sense, has a huge emotional component and it is this emotion that then goes onto generate heart and if I wanna go 'all biochemical' on your ass, it suggests adrenaline could well provide the hormonal impetus [and energy] for that 'extra mile'.
When we play paintball, there is little opportunity to 'go that extra mile' in terms of on-field behaviours in that same vein as when it's applied to football.
Physical exertion in paintball is sporadic and infrequent, I agree that near the end of the day, people get tired and maybe there we have a small window of opportunity to maybe make that 'extra' run that could be an emergent property of heart but as I said earlier, there is little overall opportunity.
If people want a definitive list that best describes what's needed for a successful team, here is my list.
In no particular order :-
1. Talent.
2. Dedication.
3. Professionalism.
4. Focus [generally provided by the alpha male / coach / owner].
Everything else is peripheral and of lesser importance [IMHO].
I think that is what many mean by 'heart'. Waking up at 5 or 6 in the morning, driving 2 hours to a muddy field on a Sunday, running, diving, getting shot up for 7 hours, does involve a lot of dedication or you could say heart. If you add on top of this mindless bull**** politics in paintball, the money, time and commitment you need to play, then it does seem to take a lot of heart to play/carry on playing. The way I put it and the way you talk about heart, are, as you said found largely in different sports. But, the way you speak about it and maybe the way OP meant, is that on field competitiveness and never lie down approach. This is probably the most important thing in any sport, if not life, to succeed (as in winning). A competitive approach to paintball can be created by a good team atmosphere - more for training, but it also plays a large part in tournaments. A decent coach to install/increase your passion, along with getting you fired up and mental drive (the want to take home silverware and shoot bad guys).
My key things would be:
1. Competitiveness
2. Talent
3. A Kitch/coach
4. Money
5. Athletic ability
6. Dedication/heart
Tim
Pete, I think the three stooges deserve the plaudits but behind them they had a solid support in gilly, flash, j-doe and myself. I could tell you what al and latham were going to do, and need, before they did. Skidder, well nobody knew what he'd pull off :0)
if we're doing a to 5 I'd have:
1. Leader - to motivate and get the teams head out of it's arse when winning and losing
2. Organisation - if the teams worrying about stuff off the field it transfers on the field
3. Planning - Nothing worse than being stood at the start gate working out where your going.
4. Time - Walking the field til you know every blind shot, angle and blind run, yours and
theirs.
5. Natural talent - you can train all you want but if you have players with that something
extra your on a winner from the start. These teams ouze confidence, are exciting to watch and leave you slack jawed as they tear your team apart. These are the players/teams that you are happy to beat once in a lifetime and you will accept the beating they give you because that's the natural order of things. I'm fortunate that I've never played anybody o couldn't beat ;0)
I think one of the most memorable statements made to me was after playing xball with the jags and taking a 21-3 whupping from Dynasty who were at the top of their game. Ledz walked up while we were discussing were we went wrong and told us we played well and should look at the positive. 'look at it this way, not many teams have beaten Dynasty once never mind three times :0)
4.
if we're doing a to 5 I'd have:
1. Leader - to motivate and get the teams head out of it's arse when winning and losing
2. Organisation - if the teams worrying about stuff off the field it transfers on the field
3. Planning - Nothing worse than being stood at the start gate working out where your going.
4. Time - Walking the field til you know every blind shot, angle and blind run, yours and
theirs.
5. Natural talent - you can train all you want but if you have players with that something
extra your on a winner from the start. These teams ouze confidence, are exciting to watch and leave you slack jawed as they tear your team apart. These are the players/teams that you are happy to beat once in a lifetime and you will accept the beating they give you because that's the natural order of things. I'm fortunate that I've never played anybody o couldn't beat ;0)
I think one of the most memorable statements made to me was after playing xball with the jags and taking a 21-3 whupping from Dynasty who were at the top of their game. Ledz walked up while we were discussing were we went wrong and told us we played well and should look at the positive. 'look at it this way, not many teams have beaten Dynasty once never mind three times :0)
4.
Not per se... My old American football coach always said that talent only means "you ain't proven sh*t yet". And another coach told me that hard work will ALWAYS beat talent, if talent doesn't want to work hard. I tend to agree with that.
PS was good seeing you again at campaign.
I think that is what many mean by 'heart'. Waking up at 5 or 6 in the morning, driving 2 hours to a muddy field on a Sunday, running, diving, getting shot up for 7 hours, does involve a lot of dedication or you could say heart. If you add on top of this mindless bull**** politics in paintball, the money, time and commitment you need to play, then it does seem to take a lot of heart to play/carry on playing. The way I put it and the way you talk about heart, are, as you said found largely in different sports. But, the way you speak about it and maybe the way OP meant, is that on field competitiveness and never lie down approach. This is probably the most important thing in any sport, if not life, to succeed (as in winning). A competitive approach to paintball can be created by a good team atmosphere - more for training, but it also plays a large part in tournaments. A decent coach to install/increase your passion, along with getting you fired up and mental drive (the want to take home silverware and shoot bad guys).
My key things would be:
1. Competitiveness
2. Talent
3. A Kitch/coach
4. Money
5. Athletic ability
6. Dedication/heart
Tim
Heart is not the same as dedication I'm afraid, leastwise not in its present usage and understanding when applied to sporting endeavours, you are confusing them when they are distinct from each other.
Heart is an emotional derivative whereas dedication is more an individual's characteristic.
Both are positive in the sense of proving beneficial to a team I agree but I have seen many a player who is dedicated but at the same time possess little heart.