Here are some of the articles that have been written about AGG on pbnation.
Preface:
This topic is purely educational in its purpose. Discussion is welcome. It is not inteded to be a mockery players or admins.
A previous thread on this was closed in Paintball Talk as the the mods have taken an anti-agg policy to avoid having to police flame wars that errupt.
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Originally posted by Harbinger[TG]
Here my problem
When the majority of posts in a thread are "agg" or flames, i have problems. And the agg vs anti agg thing is becomming nothing but a flame war. I have seen PBT turn into small talk because of this and similar type posts/threads. Myself and other mods are getting tired of pruning/cleaning threads of toal utter crap. Im sorry about the agg=closed, but so far id say over 60% of the threads/posts containing agg are flames, or basically just a phrase containing agg or anti agg crap.
We Also have a 1 strike rule in place in PBT; which is going to be strictly enforced. If kids want to go around sounding like idiots, thats fine. They just need to follow the rules and keep the all the crap in ST. PBT is not the place for AGG IMO, it only brings flames and issues for the PBT mods to clean.
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It was in-light of this that i have decided to try again in the small talk forumn, hoping that the mods here would allow the discussion. Of course the mods here still have the authority to close it if they wish, but i would like to recieve a PM as to the reason why if they chose to do so
Introduction
-By ft 57 from HK Jersey thread
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Originally posted by ft57
No problem, I'll take your word for it, cuz I know McHarb is a great guy, one of the bestest Moderators around! That's why I would never hesitate to send a fellow Moderator stuff that I jack from the HKs (Jose RNTPlayer ain't no Moderator! )!
Just to be clear, no one is "unworthy" of using the word agg. I mentioned "unworthy" only to make it clear that those who are using the word agg as a way to degrade/mock others, are the only ones who are unworthy. I gave examples of how a certain group of several anti-agg haters who pretend to be agg and become self proclaimed judges of agg... and pass judgement on people's aggness. Unfortunately, that trust was abused like no other, as you saw in those links I showed you.
Agg is pretty much used correctly, as it was intended, by most people. Agg is free for all to use, so there's nothing poser about it. It's just that many of the agg-haters don't understand that agg is very deep in meaning, and that it has a very dynamic, broad definition. The meanings of agg in itself is really agg. Typical reaction from people who finally understand the meaning of agg would be like, wow, then they're speechless as they're deep in thought, because of it's profound meaning. I'm surprised that none of the HKs have taken the time to explain the word in detail, but then again, I would think it's pretty lame if they had to post a thread about it, cuz then it would make it poserish to use the word. To help you all understand it better, I'll prolly just do an interview with the og Hostile Kids.
In the meantime, check out PGI's latest issue #182: The Agg Issue...
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread....240#post5065240
And you'll find a scanned pic of the article here...
http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/tak/hk.html
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My Essay
Recently a term has entered the paintball player's vernacular: AGG. It was made popular by various So Cal kids especeially those on the Hostile Kids team. Many people do not like the term for unkown reasons. They consider it stupid and just a "fad" produced by those crazy west-coast-pot-smoking-homesexual-loving-freeks. I confess that i orginally thought the term was rathr stupid. But then I realized that it is part of paintball's development as not only a sport, but a real sub-culture and lifestyle.
The term agg is not alltogether a new thing. Kyle (moderator) when i asked about its origins, infromed me that agg is an abreviated from of AGGRO. Aggro was a part of skaters' slang int he 1980s acodrinf to him. AGG=AGGRO
So what the crap does AGGRO mean?
Agg ro
NOUN: Chiefly British Slang 1. Aggressive or violent behavior. 2. Irritation or exasperation: “Postponing new hospitals and roads causes far less aggro than sacking town hall or Whitehall workers” (Economist).
ADJECTIVE: Slang 1. Aggressive or violent. 2. Daring and skillful, especially in a sport such as surfing.
ETYMOLOGY: Short for aggravation and aggression
[^American Heritage Dictionary^]
So there you have it the meaning of aggro and therefore AGG. No mystery now.
It should be noted that aggro is only wha tmay be considered the origins of the now popularized term. It meaning has expanded and and it is safe to say its use has expanded beyond aggro's original definition. As ft57 said, "The meanings of agg in itself is really agg."
Based on the definition, however, it can be inferred that the popular thread AGG 101 is actually a perversion of the use of agg, as they use it to describe a style of play and "on-the-field fashion"
But why is agg so great?
With every sport, you might say ther is a sub-culture that develops around it that envelops the participant in the sports lifestyle. Along with thisdevelopment comes new terminalogy. Surfers developed slang like "narly", "stoked" was made popualr be various extreme sports (it might be snowboarders who mostly use it, i am not sure). So agg and other terminalogy, as i mentioned earlier, is part of paintball developing a real sub-culture and liflestyle. Which i think is totally cool. Because i am inclined to think that paintball has been slow to develop its own real sub-culture which i think affects paintball's exposure and general public knowledge. I mnean it dosent take long long to recognize a skater, or a guy who's into hardcore, or punk rock (the real stuff mind you).
Now why do some people hate the term and are so hostile to it? Is it because they don't understand it? Well if that is the reason. I hope this will clear confusion between pbnation users and pb players.
DISCLAIMER
If you reply to this thread, DO NOT FLAME, dont post looking for a fight or one of those stupid internet arguments. Your oposition is welcome, but do so in an intellectual way and not like a kindergarner who needs a juice box and a little blue mat. I created this not to say "I KNOW EVERY THING SO PPTHHTHTHTHPB!!" But to educate and simply discuss. Discussion and MATURE debate is welcome. So if you don't liek agg, say so, give your reasons in a humble respectful way and your post will be appreciated.
I will, however, ignore anyone who comes in here just to hate and be negative so as to start a fight. I will also like to ask others to ignore haters.
Hater=individual with the temper of a 2 year old possesing a vocabulary containing mostly four-letter words.
Disagreement is on thing hating is another. You know the difference
Capt Nitro
Originally Posted by ffry
Hostile Kids article written by Alex Fraige (team Dynasty):
"THE HOSTILE KIDS WERE THE PRODUCT OF THE SC VILLAGE ARENA. FROM STREET RATS TO WORLD CLASS PROS, ALEX FRAIGE CHARTS THE TEAM’S RISE AND FALL…
In 1999 SC Village Paintball Park decided to build a Paintball tournament complex to accommodate the rapidly growing demand for arena competition. We witnessed Paintball changing before our very eyes. Along with this field, which was the first of its kind, a new era of Paintball was born. The age of the average Paintball player began to drop and, by late 2000, SC Village was filled with 14 to 20 year olds – before, the major body of players consisted of grown men well into their twenties. This new movement brought on many young and aspiring teams. These kids were fearless and came to SC every weekend to have fun with their friends.
ANGRY YOUNG MEN
The Hostile Kids were the first sole product of SC Village and the new generation of Paintballers. Some were friends from school and others just met up with kids at the field who shared their interest and passions. As they grew, their Paintball careers became less of a joke and a chance for success became more tangible. With time came experience and some of their players began to be noticed by high profile teams based in the area.
I first spotted them in early 2002 wearing black mock turtle necks adorned with the Ironmen\Kids shield, except inside the shield it read “Hostile Kids.” This immediately started blood between us because we thought that image belonged to us, even though we did sort of bite it off the Ironmen. But that was different…. Us Iron Kids immediately confronted them and set-up a day where we would play them for the rights to wear the shield. The Iron Kids reunited for one afternoon and smashed the Hostile Kids into the ground. They wore their scars with pride and I felt they were humbled. In hindsight, I was more flattered than angry that they put the shield on their jerseys and to this day it remains there.
As time went on, the Hostile Kids became the poster boys of SC Village street ball. They became notorious for playing the grey – the reason, I believe that they never fully succeeded in the tournament platform – but that wasn’t the reason they were out there. They were there to have fun, and that’s what they did.
DANGEROUSLY GOOD
The Hostile Kids consist, or at least consisted, of teens from the Orange County area and throughout LA. You see, this started out as an article about the rise of a promising young team. But while I was writing, the team disbanded after most of their players were picked up by Pro teams. You didn’t need a magic eight ball to predict this outcome: SC Village is a farm where prize Paintballers are bred before being auctioned off to the highest bidder. If you look at the majority of the young talent entering into the NXL and NPPL Pro leagues at the moment, most of it has come out of So Cal, and more particularly, SC Village. It takes a lot of time and patience for teams like the Hostile Kids to rise to the top, despite their talent. And when players are offered the opportunity to become stars overnight, they don’t usually turn it down.
Originally I ended the article with this paragraph, but I thought I’d include it here as it now sounds prophetic: “The Hostile Kids are a potentially great team and, with the proper support, they could be among the best. Unfortunately good teams like this rarely find the means to stick together and they end up going their separate ways to exploit their individual paintball abilities. I see small reflections of the Iron Kids in the Hostile Kids; in the way they stick together and in their strong friendships. Keep an eye out for Alex and his crew in the future. They may be spread out over the NXL and NPPL but they are all Hostile Kids forever.”
POST MORTEM
Now this has happened and the HK army no longer exists, like the Ironkids, the players are likely to still consider themselves members of their former team. They’re still the first generation of laid back, scene kids, acutely in tune with what’s cool – or as they would say, “agg”. They’ll probably still be at the field every weekend without fail with the same good attitude, ready to play anyone.
Alex Cadalso was the captain and spokesperson for the Hostile Kids. He conveniently lives around the corner from the Dynasty Manor at San Diego State and is frequently seen hanging around with uncle Markus Nielson. I got a hold of Alex for a chat about the past and what the future holds for the now divided team….
Alex Fraige: When were the Hostile Kids conceived?
Alex Cadalso: Hostile Takeover was a Novice/Amateur team on the circuit a few years ago. A few members from our team entered a kids tournament thrown by Hostile Takeover at Tombstone Paintball field in Corona, CA. First prize at the tournament was a package from sponsors of Hostile Takeover including Scott goggles and team jerseys etc. Scott and Mark Kressin, along with Steve Nabi, took first place and became the Hostile Kid. Years later we would combine with the second place team, Dead On, and pick up Josh Myers, Bobby Aviles and Vinnie Palmieri to play Cal Jam 7-Man. Cassidy Sanders and myself were picked up from our team, Mutiny, to play the same tournament.
AF: What were the Hostile Kids’ biggest accomplishments?
AC: Not long ago we took second place in the Amateur division at Cal Jam. Last year we played two events as a team under the name Check It Factory – the Huntington Beach and Vegas NPPLs – where we finished 6th and 5th respectively. We couldn’t finish the season because of our financial problems. The core of our team played the PSP Pomona 10-Man event and finished 4th in the Amateur division.
AF: How do you feel about the way you were treated by the Pros around SC Village?
AC: We developed notoriety around SC Village for beating teams in our division and making decent targets for the Pros, but we never had the money or leadership to win – or even enter – larger tournaments. We didn’t legitimize what we were proving Sunday after Sunday at the field, grinding out victories against much more experienced teams. We didn’t get respect because we were young, loud and somewhat arrogant because we were coming up fast in a sport that respects its elders. Now we have made friends with all the prominent players in the scene and are getting some respect from the locals. Paintball is cliquey; people don’t naturally want to befriend their rivals, but as the sport grows I think we are all getting closer.
AF: Who do you consider to be influential in y our career and in the success of HK?
AC: Personally, Todd Martinez has had the greatest influence on my career. He helped me out when I was just starting and took me under his wing, always giving me the freshest gear and trying to help further me in the sport. In our early days he helped set up practices between our team and Avalanche, which gave us some respect. When old school Avalanche were still in their prime they were practicing rag tag kids team in a practice that members had flown down for; that says something about how quickly we were developing as a team. Markus Nielson has been a loyal supporter of the army and a close personal friend. Steve Quan has been around to offer advice and bend over backwards for the team. Without Steve many of us wouldn’t be the players we are today, we looked up to him and he helped show us how to succeed and build yourself in this sport, though sometimes we were too young to listen."
(btw, the Hostile Kids never disbanded, they're just too strong of a team. They've played in ever PSP and NPPL event this year and they haven't missed a single beat!)
http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/tak/hk.html
............................. FINALLY, PGI + HK = AGG Issue. Paintball Games International I guess finally got their minds pointed in the right direction to the OG california streetballers. Theres a few other good lookin articles but who needs them when you have an in depth history on one of the largest, skillfull, and most innovative teams out there?
Everyone pick up issue 182 and enjoy the aggness of the HK fats.
http://www.p8ntballer-forums.com/vb/...threadid=32325
www.HKarmy.com = AGG central
FFRY
HK
