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DarWood

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Right how do i put this down.

I am an 18yr old. With a 16 yr old brother. I work in a well paying job ( i wont lie) 210 quid one week, 240 quid the next (shift pay-yes i work shifts). I pay for everything, his marker, my marker, our equipment, team subs, paint, payment for site usage, necessaties, tournament entries and petrol. But yet if i didnt have the discounted prices on paint i would be pretty much buggered for cash.
We train twice a month up at yorkies palace (Tourni park) 'god bless you'. We have improved vastly over the time we have been playing (hats off to UKmarshalls - for getting us involved, and StormUK), training does help ALOT.
To become a pro-player takes rightly at least 2yrs of vigorous training, and me and my bro are no where near that. But we have been playing for 2yrs, 'go figure'.
I guess wot im trying to say is 'What are we doing wrong?'
and 'What do we do to put it right?'.
DarWood
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liamliddy

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Where did u learn that it takes 2 years of training to go pro? Alot of people have played many, many more years than that and are no where near pro, still very good players, u r most probably doing nothing wrong if u r serious just train train train...elaborate dude...on the 2 yr thing...
 

DarWood

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Originally posted by liamliddy
Firstly, we both have the first 3 things covered.
1) I pretty much spend all me cash on paintball, even holiday and xmas pay :eek: The rest is spent on life necessaties, eg Housekeeping, food.
2) After every tournament and training session, we stand and look at why we got shot, what we did wrong. Most cases than not its purely not being aggressive enough.
3) I wouldnt be spending all me wages if i didnt love it.

Where did u learn that it takes 2 years of training to go pro?
Ok maybe i should have phrased it better. Sometime ago i read either on here, or in pgi about Robbo's goals for team Nexus. He explained how this year was a training year for the guy's, and that some vigorous training spanning over 2 years would give nexus the needed level to play in the pro div well over in the states.

Darwood
 

Nexus Prattowski

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Personality

I think you can get a pretty good idea whether a player will ever make it as a pro purely by looking at:

Personality. - Are you a lairy little mofo or are you a quite little doormouse that sits in the corner of the pub looking into his pint pushing a lonely peanut around the table? - I dont know many peanut pushing pro's!

Ambition. - Do you take life's chances as they arise or do you let them pass you by?? - Do you go out of your way to organise a training session with a top team or do you wait to get invited??

Theres more but I'm hungry and its feeding time @ the zoo.
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by FrontLine
Ok maybe i should have phrased it better. Sometime ago i read either on here, or in pgi about Robbo's goals for team Nexus. He explained how this year was a training year for the guy's, and that some vigorous training spanning over 2 years would give nexus the needed level to play in the pro div well over in the states.

Darwood
We're slightly ahead of schedule :)
 

stongle

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Dude,

How long does it take to go Pro? How longs a piece of string. We play you guys a lot at Yorkies, and repeated scrimmaging is not going to take yours or our game anywhere.

You need to breakdown the game into it's component parts, drill and repeatedly train these again again again again again again until they become body memory. If training consists of repeated scrimmaging, any Gremlins in your game will never get corrected, especially as no-one is really there to say what you did wrong or how to correct it.

We've all done the post game of "you got shot out because......", but you got to work out how to correct any faults. How do you play tight, how do you correctly snap shoot, how do you run and shoot. There's probably many ways to do some of the skills, but until you practice and train these to be effective your never going to have the skills to go out and play pro.

Love or loath Robbo's analogies, but once you get past the flowery language, the one that best illustrates this is the one about Jamie learning how to snap shoot blindfolded. Dedication and practice. Everybody wants to go out and shoot fools, rather than sit there doing the same old repetative task, but until you adapt this mind set your not going to improve at a significant rate. If training is repeated scrimmaging your never going to do the difficult stuff or the unnatural because your not forced to do it. Seeing players shooting off-hand is rare as rocking horse poo, because it's difficult and un-natural, go out against a team who has practiced this and other skills and the minute you come out on the left side of your bunker right handed your going to get lit up like an Xmas tree.

Once you get the skills down, next you need to learn how to do this under pressure without losing your head. You could be the best snap shooter in the world, but if you can't keep your head under pressure, and maintain enough composure to repeat what you've learned, your going to be about as much use as tits on a bull in a game. So you learn how to snap, off hand shoot etc under pressure, at least you've now got some of the tools you need to go out and play competitively, however look at the great players and their cool as cucumbers under fire.

Scrimmaging should be used to put the component parts together and practice what you know under pressure. Also at this stage, you should start to learn your game awareness, timing and comms. You may have the best teams comms, or even timing in the world, but if you can't play tight, or shoot tight you ain't going to be on field to put movement and comms into practice.

The gulf between teams that really train and drill and those that think training consists solely of scrimmaging is vast. I've played against some players who have worked on the basic skill sets recently, but at the end of the day, despite all our firepower, I've been left with an arsehole like a ripped out fireplace after these guys have gone through us. Of course scrimmaging is vital, but it's a component part of a complete training set-up. Maybe it should be treaded as a reward after a few hours of monotonous drilling.

Perhaps a Stongle analogy is in order, compare Paintball to your average post pub beer-lariness. You could be a competent street fighter, but you come up against a Zen Kung-fu master with their practiced Shaolin, Wu-Tang, "you must think first before you move skillz", and you going to get punched up the face before you know it.

I'm not criticising you at all, just pointing out where you, me and others are going wrong. I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and if you wanna really train and drill PM me and we'll try and sort something out.

Peace.
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Liz

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There are just so many little factors that add together to make a great team that to try to list them all in one post would be silly!
But firstly note I said "team"; the best players can't get anywhere if the rest of the guys they play with aren't up to scratch, and even then they have to play together as a TEAM not a bunch of talented individuals.
Next on my list would be attitude, not just the agression noted above but a professional attitude to everything they do. This includes organisation, training, fitness, behavior............
Just playing a load of games is NOT training! You really need to talk to one of the few top coaches around for the best exercises to carry out for this, but drills like snap shooting, off-handed shooting, how to slide properly, set pieces like one on threes, field walking etc should all be practiced.
Dedication. Being the best to the degree of being willing to sacrifice just about anything else in your life with no compromises.
Physical and mental fitness; you have to be able to break as fast and move as agilely at the end of a long weekend's balling as you could at the beginning.
Last on this particular list is natural ability. There are people out there who, however hard they try and however much training they do, will never be up there with the best (me for example:rolleyes: ). That said, the naturally most talented players won't get anywhere without training and working together with the rest of their team!

This list is nowhere near exhaustive, but if you spend at least a year doing everything on it and still can't get up to the level to compete with at least domestic level pros THEN come back and start asking again. Or even better, pay a top coach who's been there to come and help you move up.

A good start for you would be to try to get to one of the Nexus training seminars, together as a TEAM. That should at least set you on the right path and you can learn loads just by watching these guys play and listening to what they have to say :) .