what is it with non-US teams?
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All this talk about american teams being better than the brits is rubbish!!
at this years medigra SHOCKWAVE UK beat DYNASTY, not only did they win but it came down to a two on two with two DYNASTY players against one SHOCKWAVE (Ross Gill) and SHOCKWAVE wiped the floor with them. This shows that there is a huge ammount of talent in the UK, you guys just have a higher percentage of people to choose from because of the size of your country.
This post isn't meant to offend anyone, just emphasise that we shouldn't argue over who is better, just try to improve our individual game.
later chris
at this years medigra SHOCKWAVE UK beat DYNASTY, not only did they win but it came down to a two on two with two DYNASTY players against one SHOCKWAVE (Ross Gill) and SHOCKWAVE wiped the floor with them. This shows that there is a huge ammount of talent in the UK, you guys just have a higher percentage of people to choose from because of the size of your country.
This post isn't meant to offend anyone, just emphasise that we shouldn't argue over who is better, just try to improve our individual game.
later chris
Yeah so Shockwave beat Dynasty once and they've beaten US teams before and I'm sure they'll do it again but this is not a reflection on the state of paintball in the UK. What the UK as a country and even Shockwave lack is consistency. Our teams sometimes beat yank teams but that is the exception not the rule. The American teams ARE better than the Brits, there's no doubt about that but that doesn't mean to say that we can't get up there and contend on the same level as the USA.Originally posted by thebestthereis
All this talk about american teams being better than the brits is rubbish!!
at this years medigra SHOCKWAVE UK beat DYNASTY, not only did they win but it came down to a two on two with two DYNASTY players against one SHOCKWAVE (Ross Gill) and SHOCKWAVE wiped the floor with them. This shows that there is a huge ammount of talent in the UK, you guys just have a higher percentage of people to choose from because of the size of your country.
This post isn't meant to offend anyone, just emphasise that we shouldn't argue over who is better, just try to improve our individual game.
later chris
As I think Robbo said earlier in this thread, what is needed is someone with the right attitude to get together a team of young players who don't have too many 'bad habits' and train them in the kind of way that Russian Legion train. Sure, it'll probably take a few years for them top get anywhere but the way it is at the moment we don't have any teams on the level of US teams anyway so who cares. Someone who knows what they are doing needs to be prepared to put the time and effort in (and money needs to be found from somewhere) is we are to be competitive in the future. US teams seem to get better and better and we as a country (of course there are exceptions) seem to have reached a kind of plateau that no one really seems to know how to get out of.
Just my opinion
K
Ermm.. If i might take this opportunity to say;
Were young, were new, dont have any bad habits (in p8ntball at any rate ) so if anyone wants to take us under their wing and train us.. well we wouldnt say no
Who knows, from what i can see (imho as im pretty new to the scene) UK paintball seems to be getting a bit of a shake up - i know that our teams ambition, dedication & drive is all there (in most cases) we just need to learn how to use it
We learn all we can from things like the classroom on this site, the forums and articles in PGI etc, as well as watching vids of the yanks playing. But.. Nothing can account for having a team that plays together every week - and plays the right kind of ball
So again i beseech anyone who cares - if u want to help us train then email me all offers welcome - we got our own supair field for you to impart your knowledge and wisdom to us on - see u in the middle??
Were young, were new, dont have any bad habits (in p8ntball at any rate
) so if anyone wants to take us under their wing and train us.. well we wouldnt say noWho knows, from what i can see (imho as im pretty new to the scene) UK paintball seems to be getting a bit of a shake up - i know that our teams ambition, dedication & drive is all there (in most cases) we just need to learn how to use it
We learn all we can from things like the classroom on this site, the forums and articles in PGI etc, as well as watching vids of the yanks playing. But.. Nothing can account for having a team that plays together every week - and plays the right kind of ball
So again i beseech anyone who cares - if u want to help us train then email me all offers welcome - we got our own supair field for you to impart your knowledge and wisdom to us on - see u in the middle??
Animosity? Hell, I have respect for just about anyone that plays the game as just that, a player of the game that I love and a worthy teammate or opponent, or just cool people to sit down and have a conversation and/or a drink with. There is no sport I know of on the planet that has that. Playing and paying for it is a big part of it, but a lot of people that know me know that I'll drive or fly to something often when I don't play at it at all, but to watch and learn and meet people. Want to talk about expenses? Try factoring in the tourneys you do play AND ones you don't. Who pays me so far for it? No one. I'd like them to, but they don't have to. I love it or I wouldn't do it. It's the best money I've ever spent doing anything. I could be sitting on a stool at a bar buying drinks for women that on occasion have boyfriends that walk in 10 minutes later AFTER I've already bought them $10 or more worth of beer or liquor with not even so much as a thank you or a kiss for it...but of course I've gotten a little smarter in the last couple of years. You can spend money ANY number of ridiculous ways and if you get out enough in the world eventually you'll run across them all. Paintball is the most constructive and least destructive means of doing so, and if you do well at it you'll have plenty to show for it. Where else can you go from loser with some time on your hands to international traveling sportsman in a comparable time frame? Where? Is it possible? Likely the answer is no. You can't start as a soccer or hockey or basketball player and a year later be hanging out with world league, NHL, or NBA players and be treated with any kind of respect, much less hope of ever being a part of what they do. No chance in hell! Here you can.
Which brings me to another point worthy of mentioning, which Robbo I'd like to hear your take on this: keep professional paintball as it is. DO NOT INTRODUCE THE IDEA OF HIGH SALARIES FOR PLAYERS. It has ruined other sports. In paintball as it is now, people are easy going, play for the teams they want to and who want them to be there, there's not too much overt jealousy and greed, and basically anyone that wants to put in the time and effort, make some connections, and put a little wallet power to it can reach the top. Then look at US professional sports. You have players that make multimillion dollar salaries which feed their egos, drive up ticket prices which the people lower on the totem pole or not even in the sport have to pay, and make a lot of them into superhero demigods that the ordinary person can't approach and quite honestly wouldn't want to if they knew them as a person. You would have to play the sport starting at a ridiculously early age and totally dedicate your life to it, play an absurd game of politics, etc, and IF AND ONLY IF your parents pass you the genetics for size and strength and speed (along with making the gym your home, office, and playground) can you even have a chance to make it, and then you're one of thousands out there and though a tremendous athlete you can fade into insignificance. Even if you're at the top of your game, if you're not likely to be remembered unless you are one of maybe 2 people per decade that get noted as being one of the "greats."
Such is what paintball doesn't need. We don't need to have to pay $50 to watch a tournament. People buying at retail already pay $100 for a barrel and $50 for a jersey to allow companies to pay out sponsorships--have any idea what one would cost if they had to pay out $100,000+ salaries??? That would ruin growth in the sport. Further, do you think that any of the nice guys at the top would remain like they are, where they'll sit and talk with you because you too are a respectable player, just at an earlier stage? Ha! Human nature simply says not. You can bet that at least a few would get in their heads "Hey, I'm a multimillion dollar athlete, and you are? Oops, sorry, don't have time for you, gotta go cheat on my pregnant wife with two 18 year old groupies. Dammit, where's my Gatorade and cocaine!" rather than "Hey little dude, oh, you need help with your Cocker? I can fix that in no time," then putting down what they're doing at the time, fixing it, and signing a poster for the person, whether they're 12, 22, or 52 like they do now. Recruiting would be vicious. Am A teams would be constantly hounded to give up their star players to the pros, and they'd have to go do the same to Am B teams to take the place of the players that they'd lost. This would stunt the growth and development of players and teams to the point that the whole infrastructure would collapse.
Think I'm wrong? I'd rather not have it where we'd find out. So please, if you would, don't suggest that we bring in salaries. Advertising is good--pictures with Honda, Chevvy trucks, Coca Cola, Taco Bell, etc. to pay for stuff is great, but direct salaries are a big mistake dude. A mistake I for one would rather not see made with our favorite sport.
Which brings me to another point worthy of mentioning, which Robbo I'd like to hear your take on this: keep professional paintball as it is. DO NOT INTRODUCE THE IDEA OF HIGH SALARIES FOR PLAYERS. It has ruined other sports. In paintball as it is now, people are easy going, play for the teams they want to and who want them to be there, there's not too much overt jealousy and greed, and basically anyone that wants to put in the time and effort, make some connections, and put a little wallet power to it can reach the top. Then look at US professional sports. You have players that make multimillion dollar salaries which feed their egos, drive up ticket prices which the people lower on the totem pole or not even in the sport have to pay, and make a lot of them into superhero demigods that the ordinary person can't approach and quite honestly wouldn't want to if they knew them as a person. You would have to play the sport starting at a ridiculously early age and totally dedicate your life to it, play an absurd game of politics, etc, and IF AND ONLY IF your parents pass you the genetics for size and strength and speed (along with making the gym your home, office, and playground) can you even have a chance to make it, and then you're one of thousands out there and though a tremendous athlete you can fade into insignificance. Even if you're at the top of your game, if you're not likely to be remembered unless you are one of maybe 2 people per decade that get noted as being one of the "greats."
Such is what paintball doesn't need. We don't need to have to pay $50 to watch a tournament. People buying at retail already pay $100 for a barrel and $50 for a jersey to allow companies to pay out sponsorships--have any idea what one would cost if they had to pay out $100,000+ salaries??? That would ruin growth in the sport. Further, do you think that any of the nice guys at the top would remain like they are, where they'll sit and talk with you because you too are a respectable player, just at an earlier stage? Ha! Human nature simply says not. You can bet that at least a few would get in their heads "Hey, I'm a multimillion dollar athlete, and you are? Oops, sorry, don't have time for you, gotta go cheat on my pregnant wife with two 18 year old groupies. Dammit, where's my Gatorade and cocaine!" rather than "Hey little dude, oh, you need help with your Cocker? I can fix that in no time," then putting down what they're doing at the time, fixing it, and signing a poster for the person, whether they're 12, 22, or 52 like they do now. Recruiting would be vicious. Am A teams would be constantly hounded to give up their star players to the pros, and they'd have to go do the same to Am B teams to take the place of the players that they'd lost. This would stunt the growth and development of players and teams to the point that the whole infrastructure would collapse.
Think I'm wrong? I'd rather not have it where we'd find out. So please, if you would, don't suggest that we bring in salaries. Advertising is good--pictures with Honda, Chevvy trucks, Coca Cola, Taco Bell, etc. to pay for stuff is great, but direct salaries are a big mistake dude. A mistake I for one would rather not see made with our favorite sport.
Bravo, bravo KillerOnion. You must be sweating buckets after all that – you sure you can still see the letters on the keyboard?
This has probably been one of, if not the best speech I have ever read for this argument and I thouroughly enjoyed reading it. I know that so many people feel this way and I’m 100% certain that massive pay checks are not the way to go. If Robbo is willing to train up a team of youngsters I believe that it would be a complete waste of his time and their money if they were not totally dedicated to the sport and improving their game, and wanting so hard and desperately to get recognised and get to the top. What K.Onion was saying about throwing away $10 here and $20 there for the most menial of pleasures or objects is exactly what the real devoted ones have already figured out at a young age.
These players value greatly their inclusion and participation in the sport and the growth of their knowledge about it. These are the ones that you, Robbo would be able to train and have the satisfaction of bringing all the way to the top. There’s no point in you asking or looking for them obviously – you might look at it now and it might seem more a burden than anything else. But the true ‘ballers who really feel strong about the sport, they will come to you and they will give it their best and more. We all know what the competition is like and they should realise early – as you will realise, that they either have a chance and the talent, or they don’t. It’s as simple as that.
You could be that chance that they have Robbo, and have such an impact on their lives, their paintball career, and who knows, you may even become a revolutionary and even more of a legend in this rather eccentric world of paintball as being the one who took the risk of taking such a young, committed team under his arm and training them up until they could soar across the paintball field like eagles and snap shoot like a lightning strike. The main point is – that these guys will not want to play the sport because they have the money to back themselves up, or for the thought that they could possible become a million dollar a year player. - They will work their asses off for the love of the game and to pay their way through as many practice sessions and tournaments as they possibly can because they want to go all the way to ACHIEVE something. Not for money, girls, the fame or glamour – for themselves!! But so that they can have that inexplicable feeling of joy when you win a game and know that they are great at something!!
I’m sorry if you disagree. And I understand that of course you have trained and played with many different teams in the past, have put more back into paintball than anyone could ask for, and probably have a greater knowledge of paintball than I ever will - but surely you could understand how I feel and perhaps continue to put all of this fantastic wealth of information to good use and for the benefit of others! I’m not saying that you should not lay back and relax over all these years and enjoy life in other aspects, I’m just saying that it would be a real shame if you couldn’t give even that little more back to some of the rookie members – even if it was only for your own sense of accomplishment of being able to successfully mentor a real beginner team completely from a feeble chestnut to a glorious impressive oak tree (pretty crap analogy, but oh well), or to prove that you can still do it! But, you know, we would obviously all understand if you feel that your too old for that kind of thing by now!....
This has probably been one of, if not the best speech I have ever read for this argument and I thouroughly enjoyed reading it. I know that so many people feel this way and I’m 100% certain that massive pay checks are not the way to go. If Robbo is willing to train up a team of youngsters I believe that it would be a complete waste of his time and their money if they were not totally dedicated to the sport and improving their game, and wanting so hard and desperately to get recognised and get to the top. What K.Onion was saying about throwing away $10 here and $20 there for the most menial of pleasures or objects is exactly what the real devoted ones have already figured out at a young age.
These players value greatly their inclusion and participation in the sport and the growth of their knowledge about it. These are the ones that you, Robbo would be able to train and have the satisfaction of bringing all the way to the top. There’s no point in you asking or looking for them obviously – you might look at it now and it might seem more a burden than anything else. But the true ‘ballers who really feel strong about the sport, they will come to you and they will give it their best and more. We all know what the competition is like and they should realise early – as you will realise, that they either have a chance and the talent, or they don’t. It’s as simple as that.
You could be that chance that they have Robbo, and have such an impact on their lives, their paintball career, and who knows, you may even become a revolutionary and even more of a legend in this rather eccentric world of paintball as being the one who took the risk of taking such a young, committed team under his arm and training them up until they could soar across the paintball field like eagles and snap shoot like a lightning strike. The main point is – that these guys will not want to play the sport because they have the money to back themselves up, or for the thought that they could possible become a million dollar a year player. - They will work their asses off for the love of the game and to pay their way through as many practice sessions and tournaments as they possibly can because they want to go all the way to ACHIEVE something. Not for money, girls, the fame or glamour – for themselves!! But so that they can have that inexplicable feeling of joy when you win a game and know that they are great at something!!
I’m sorry if you disagree. And I understand that of course you have trained and played with many different teams in the past, have put more back into paintball than anyone could ask for, and probably have a greater knowledge of paintball than I ever will - but surely you could understand how I feel and perhaps continue to put all of this fantastic wealth of information to good use and for the benefit of others! I’m not saying that you should not lay back and relax over all these years and enjoy life in other aspects, I’m just saying that it would be a real shame if you couldn’t give even that little more back to some of the rookie members – even if it was only for your own sense of accomplishment of being able to successfully mentor a real beginner team completely from a feeble chestnut to a glorious impressive oak tree (pretty crap analogy, but oh well), or to prove that you can still do it! But, you know, we would obviously all understand if you feel that your too old for that kind of thing by now!....
Hey
On the paintball team I am on, the entire team is composed of Italians. We have played against the british and other people. And it doesnt matter where u come from. It matters if ur really into paintball and dedicated to the sport. I am taking offense by the things the original poster said. stupid jag off
On the paintball team I am on, the entire team is composed of Italians. We have played against the british and other people. And it doesnt matter where u come from. It matters if ur really into paintball and dedicated to the sport. I am taking offense by the things the original poster said. stupid jag off
Be forewarned that the original poster (Mr Big, whom you eloquently named stupid jag off) is not only the editor of Paintball Games International (PGI), but also the proprietor (if you can call it that) of this website, and one of the moderators of this forum. So if people keep calling him names, you might just get yourself moderated front, back, and side to side. Moderated is in this case ofcourse a euphemism for something way nastier.
Please people, before you get all hotheaded by this thread, remember that it's all meant to steer this forum back to it's original focus, which is paintball! So instaed of calling Mr Big all kinds of names, give him some credit for doing the right thing.
Thank you.
Please people, before you get all hotheaded by this thread, remember that it's all meant to steer this forum back to it's original focus, which is paintball! So instaed of calling Mr Big all kinds of names, give him some credit for doing the right thing.
Thank you.
dont care
When people start saying that Non americans suck, were just suppose to lie down and take it right? The gods forbid that I defend me, my team mates and my home country. I am currently in the Us and yes the teams are reall good. But my team has won some tournies and we have "kept up" with the ameican teams. I really dont care if hes a moderator or not. Doesnt give him the right so say I suck at paintball.
When people start saying that Non americans suck, were just suppose to lie down and take it right? The gods forbid that I defend me, my team mates and my home country. I am currently in the Us and yes the teams are reall good. But my team has won some tournies and we have "kept up" with the ameican teams. I really dont care if hes a moderator or not. Doesnt give him the right so say I suck at paintball.