Never had a problem with my creed, one of the few markers i am sorry i soldWell 1 guys demon he took care of it as well as anyone I know, and it kept getting gas leeks and then it'll stop shooting and he will have to spend another couple of hours trying to fix it, he's given up now and is getting a dm 12 and the creed 1 persons the bolt stopped going back, and all the other they just had problem after problem out of 6-7 people I know with vanguards 4 had problems