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rob_evanson

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As I get more into paintball, read magazines and surf paintball websites, it seems to become more apparent that it seems like UK teams don't seem to perform well against anybody else. I don't mean to offend any Pro/Am or Novice players but the UK teams don't seem to be able to get the results. For example. If you look at last years Campaign Cup results (a UK tourney) not one UK team appeard in the finals (appart from 4th place in the Novice section) What are we doing wrong, is it just another case of the UK not being good enough at sports, like football and athletics to name a few. I know this question has been asked before about US teams vs the world, but it's not just them that seem the walk all over us, the rest of Europe is now having a go!
 

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Its generally because of the "It'll be alright on the night" approach that most UK teams have. (I'm not saying all have it but most do)

A case in point is the comment Micah made which really stuck in my mind. Which was he was finding it expensive to train as a back player because he didn't have a team and hadn't had one for about a year. Yet he still goes out and trains. Not many UK players would do something like that.

As always there are exeptions to the generalization but....
 

rob_evanson

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Perhapes it could be put down to a lack of real good sponsorship or good backing. At the end of the day it's time and money I suppose. If you have a really good paint sponsor you could go out and train every week/fortnight/month and really go for it on the old rapid fire. I mean I've heard some team in the US get paid to play...PAID to play paintball! Now if that team had a really generous paint sponser, they could go out every bloody day and play/practice. What I'm saying is is the lack of good UK teams down to the following things:

1. Outside backing/Sponsorship
2. Internal Sponsorship
3. Team time/effort to go out and train

Summary. Not enough investment = UK teams suffer?
 

rancid

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I know this subject has been brought up many times recently, however, one point....

Back in the days when we did compete, our top teams were heavily sponsored. And the competiton between these teams was as fierce as the comp between their sponsors.

Marcus (preds) supported by Ged & Poxon
Robbo (nam) supported by Paul Wilson and Stephen Baldwin
Rafe (eagles) supported by Mick Holdaway.

These were the godfathers of Brit paintball, very strong characters who were determined not to be outdone by any other team or company. It was all out war.

How does that compare with now? Outside of wdp, name me three hard-nosed business tyrants... or 3 inspirational captains?

Cripes, I played for an average team and we had Forest paintballs coming out of our ears - we played three times a month and we still had paint left over at the end of it!

Who was it who wrote 'the dominant male is dead'?
 
Douglas Coupland

And that's it Brits - no Marcus Davis coming thru the ranks. Ledzy maybe coulda been the one but he seemed to pull back from tha NPPL and stopped coming over.

Lokk at us - we got ruthless, dedicated captains comin' out of our ears...look how quick Strange came from outta nowhere.

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As Rancid has already mentioned, this subject has been covered many times before but it may be worthwhile reiterating a few things.
The era of Brit paintball that Rancid mentioned, produced a team, The Predators, that was for all intents and purposes, the greatest team Europe has ever produced.
They not only mopped up every title In Europe on a consistent basis but were denied their deserved World Cup Victory on two occasions by the chicanery of some pro teams Stateside.
Now before any Yanks, who quite understandably might want to jump in at this point and defend their countrie's honour, I want to make two things clear.
Firstly, there is no honour in an absolute sense in any country when it comes to paintball, save the Russians.
Secondly, any doubters out there who feel that such devious tactics by certain people's is outlandish and preposterous, well I will tell you something,
I was told, quite up front by one of the perpetrators (Captain) to the game fixing that meant the Preds could not win the World Cup.

That out of the way, why can't us Brits do it now ?

The rest of Europe have caught us up for one, when the Preds did their thing, the rest of Europe was nowhere near as advanced.
The sport of paintball then, was nowhere near as sophisticated and organised as it is now.
This meant that to win at the top end in those days, in no way reflected the difficulty faced when trying to do it now.
It's sooo much harder to win now either in Europe or in America and that goes for every top team both sides of the Atlantic.
The contemporary sport of paintball is so many times more competitive than yesteryear....no argument.
Coupled with a heightened competitiveness we are faced with an uneven player pool. The Stateside player pool to cherry pick from is a thousand times larger than our own.
I have said on many occasions, the only way round this seemingly unfair inequality is to try and train harder and wiser.
This is our only option as we are always going to be playing catch-up because of the numbers game that is so heavily weighted against us.
The Russians have shown us all how to do it, and after having spoken to Chris Edwards of JCS Imperial the other day, these guys are trying hard also.
They have realised that regular and consistent training is the first rung on the ladder.
I had previously criticized or rather observed that perhaps their approach was not going to be the salvation of Brit paintball as their level of sponsorship did in no way get close to any of the top Yank teams and of course, I did not believe they had the right approach.
I have now changed my mind and put them in with a chance, purely because their level of commitment in training every weekend is exactly what is needed if they want to try and negate some of the American's advantages.
Good luck to the Northern *******s is what I say, cuz I don't give two ****s where Brit success comes from (as long as it ain't no Jocks or Welshmen).
Sometimes the truth, or rather reality, is hard to accept, especially if you are on the receiving end of the inequalities but thankfully we are provided with a brain that allows us, if exercised sufficiently, to come up with a plan of action to hopefully stuff it up them Yankee doodle dandies.
And soon may it begin to happen :)
Robbo

Disclaimer : I am in no way anti-Jock, anti-Welsh or anti-Yank but...............
ENGERLAND, ENGERLAND, ENGERLAND !!!
 

rob_evanson

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Basically your confirming my point about not enough commitment then no progress. We're suck in an never ending circle, and you said it yourself, we don't have as large a roster of players to pick from compared to the likes of larger countries like the US, without pure commitment from what we have got we will get nowhere. But on the flip side, to get this commitment where will this time/money come from. UK teams do not get the same kind of backing that others do. I suspect most players have nomal 9-5 jobs and have other fianancial commitments as well as paintball. With the likes of some teams in th US getting paid, the question is, if the UK doesn't go that way, will we ever catch up?
 

PaintballBudgie

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Got to keep trying. Got to keep encouraging young players into the sport.

The problem is paintball costs. Tourneys cost, ( well not as much as they did thanks to our sponsors), practice costs. This is a lot to ask from parents.

Take our team for example, 2 out of 6 of us are in our 30s, 3 are in their 20s and one is 18. 4 of us have full time jobs, 1 is a student and... hell , who knows what mark does?

We work and are able to afford to play but also have families, mortgages..etc etc

Personally I think Sparklie has the right idea with her Paintball Academy.

Outside funding is key, and this will only fully be available once we have the proper recognition as a sport. For gods sake, look at the garbage in the Olympics. When will the IOC finally see sense?
 

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The answer?

Time.

And promotion of paintball at rec level. More people at ground level = better chance of them progressing.
Spot on rancid,its about time the UK stopped looking down on rec ball, its the best way to get newbies in ,build up their confidence and skills then maybe they`ll progress to tournys.Rec ball could also act as a safety net for players dropping out of the tournament scene enabling them to still play and not ,as many seem to do ,give up playing .