I hope we can overcome this-whos the best Uk **** and just try and get competitive British paintball as a whole to a higher standard,
Saying that watch out for Shock Pro.
Saying that watch out for Shock Pro.
uk pros next year
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Why not organize British Paintball Championship tournament? That would settle it for a year and would give tons of stuff to discuss about here on the forums.
And no excuses would be allowed for those not taking part in the tournament
And no excuses would be allowed for those not taking part in the tournament
Deeerrrr, isn't the point not to be the best in the UK, but the best in the world???
What does it prove if your best in the UK, yep for sure you may get a little ego massage here on the boards, and a little Kudos when you play the Basildon Marshes 7's, but FFS. Your not getting any Benjamin's for it, it ain't putting an X5 in the driveway, your not exactly pulling an Avalanche of ho's for your glory so forget about it.
If the UK were the Jam in paintball's doughnut it would matter a little more, but we're not. When we talk Super Pro for Millenniums only two UK teams cut the Mustard Nexus and Tigers. If the best two, 3,4 etc teams in the UK start to concentrate on NPPL, Millennium where there exists real competition what does a UK championship mean......nadda, zip, buttkiss. Yep it might be nice to be best in the UK, but in the scheme of things what does it mean, it's too fledgling a sport to be thought of on purely national Boundaries. A lot of the wieners sit her and wax lyrical, whining about the US got TV, the US got this n that etc etc, blah blah. We'll don't you think that if you got up went out they're and took the game to them, you "might" be able to put a strong enough argument to get a piece of that pie (politics aside)?
The Best UK team for 04, ain't going to be decided by playing a domestic series, or even the odd Millennium, but by the Team that goes out there and smashes the big names, in both the NPPL and Millennium.
If the discussion was a little broader or which Euro Pro team would be top of the pile, and why, I think would make for a better debate. Although I do not like the geographical distinction between teams, we have to accept a void does exist between Euro and US balling (albeit certain individuals are trying hard to plug). A think this would bring a more diverse range of posters, with a variety of views. The board isn't the place for certain people to massage the ego's of their top five mates they play with or live down the road from, but for all ballers of all nations to have an opinion (even if the majority of posters in here are from the UK). So for what it's worth I think Nexus and Legion. Of course there is genius in the games of the other teams, but the dedication to training and skill development, not to mention breaking down the game should start to pay dividends.
What does it prove if your best in the UK, yep for sure you may get a little ego massage here on the boards, and a little Kudos when you play the Basildon Marshes 7's, but FFS. Your not getting any Benjamin's for it, it ain't putting an X5 in the driveway, your not exactly pulling an Avalanche of ho's for your glory so forget about it.
If the UK were the Jam in paintball's doughnut it would matter a little more, but we're not. When we talk Super Pro for Millenniums only two UK teams cut the Mustard Nexus and Tigers. If the best two, 3,4 etc teams in the UK start to concentrate on NPPL, Millennium where there exists real competition what does a UK championship mean......nadda, zip, buttkiss. Yep it might be nice to be best in the UK, but in the scheme of things what does it mean, it's too fledgling a sport to be thought of on purely national Boundaries. A lot of the wieners sit her and wax lyrical, whining about the US got TV, the US got this n that etc etc, blah blah. We'll don't you think that if you got up went out they're and took the game to them, you "might" be able to put a strong enough argument to get a piece of that pie (politics aside)?
The Best UK team for 04, ain't going to be decided by playing a domestic series, or even the odd Millennium, but by the Team that goes out there and smashes the big names, in both the NPPL and Millennium.
If the discussion was a little broader or which Euro Pro team would be top of the pile, and why, I think would make for a better debate. Although I do not like the geographical distinction between teams, we have to accept a void does exist between Euro and US balling (albeit certain individuals are trying hard to plug). A think this would bring a more diverse range of posters, with a variety of views. The board isn't the place for certain people to massage the ego's of their top five mates they play with or live down the road from, but for all ballers of all nations to have an opinion (even if the majority of posters in here are from the UK). So for what it's worth I think Nexus and Legion. Of course there is genius in the games of the other teams, but the dedication to training and skill development, not to mention breaking down the game should start to pay dividends.
No offence, but what a load of excuses
Guess it's less humiliating to lose to an american team than another brit team.
There's huge pride in winning national championship in other sports. Even in soccer where they have champions league + dozen other euro cups.
Guess it's less humiliating to lose to an american team than another brit team.
There's huge pride in winning national championship in other sports. Even in soccer where they have champions league + dozen other euro cups.
Really where's the excuse in that?Originally posted by Sherman
No offence, but what a load of excuses
Guess it's less humiliating to lose to an american team than another brit team.
There's huge pride in winning national championship in other sports. Even in soccer where they have champions league + dozen other euro cups.
Anyway my theory goes along the following lines (and it's just a theory if you will):
Please don't use a Football analogy, I'm not even sure Paintball as yet qualifies as a Sport. Wouldn't you (as I assume a baller), want to be recognised for winning in a highly competitive environment, against the best. Surely playing against the best is not only a UK only equation? I'd take far more pleasure and Kudos from whipping up a storm at a Millennium rather than winning our Division at an M25.
Since the survival of the best teams depends almost solely on the financial support of their sponsors and this involves winning at the highest level, why expend effort in fighting in a backwater tournament??? What do you think a sponsor wants, best in the most prestigious series in the world, or a regional champion?. Oh sure we can all talk about outside assistance, but it's not beating a path to our door just yet. Why? cos the game isn't really exciting enough, or really sporting enough (for all bar the crème de la crème). If the whole of the NPPL can be broken down into 6 30 minute shows, with a good amount of time spent featuring the lifestyle or flavour of the sport, how are you going to attract outside assistance in the Levels needed to realistically compete? You only get sponsored because the sponsorer wants or expects something in return. Look at SP and Dynasty, there's an ultimate financial motive there, the same is true all the way down the chain to the incentivised buying many players claim as sponsorship. It's not, it's making sure they can enjoy economies of supply, by dealing known quantity of paint or kit in advance, and thus they are able to pass on some of their bulk buying discount to the consumer. Why do you think so many deals are linked to buying X qty of cases??????????
When your sponsoring a big team, you want them winning the prestigious events. If it came down to the UK championship or an NPPL, where do you think the big name teams are going to be, how's it going to determine the best team in the UK if the best teams, Shock, Nexus, Tigers etc are off competing NPPL, because their primary want em out their with a shot of winning. Whose to say Shock don't rip up the NPPL, I'd imagine that their sponsors want the likes of Sanchez in adverts selling T-shirts and kit to the 1 Million US paintball consumers (cos this is where the sponsorship money ultimately comes from). Yes there is outside sponsorship but not in enough levels to get the tope teams away from the draw of the top level.
You could have a UK Championship without these teams, sure, but you'll never get the answer you seek, and can this really be decided by a one off tournament?
I can see where this is going and you could be correct to talk about geographical champions etc, but a quantum leap in format and the way the game is played (i.e. more sporting and exciting), needs to be made before you can talk analogies with Football and regionalisation.
Oh, and with my P8 hat on, this is an international Site, the majority of members and those viewing are not UK based. Fair enough they may not be as vociferous (or illiterate as some of the posters), but their there nonetheless. Why would the majority of people care who the UK Champions are???
Hey lets stop arguing and lets hope we all do well. Lets hope the French are fair, lets hope the yanks all get club foot, and for gods sake lets see the Russians win something.
The message should be, watch out world the Brits are coming!! Buy the sounds of it we are all serious about being serious.
Great stuff.
The message should be, watch out world the Brits are coming!! Buy the sounds of it we are all serious about being serious.
Great stuff.
Originally posted by Nexus Prattowski
Damn straight! - Nexus Eclipse will be going Pro for their first season!
With the talent on this new team it would be rude not to!
So, would both teams rollover if it came to it?
I can't speak for the sponsors of Shock or Tigers or Storm, but as one of the sponsors of Nexus, I wouldn't be encouraging them to enter a british championship - I agree with Stong, it's meaningless.
The way paintball is at the mo it would make little sense to have such an ecent. i think it's easy to judge a teams ability by there results throughout the season!! the important thing is that the standard of british ballin goes up!!
Bring on 04