Tournament Rules:- are they too complex?

[Exile]

There is no such thing as a "cheat code", only preset modes. I've used most guns and boards, so know how they work.

Completely false. I had a gun with one (never used it, mostly because I forgot the activation sequence, but I was able to select ramping or F/A and even define the ramping parameters so it looks like I have "fast fingers") and several aftermarket boards can be programmed to give you a cheat-like effect.

There is currently no market for cheater boards as with 10.5bps ramping it's very easy for pretty much anyone to spot a gin firing faster. You take away that bps restriction, and you'll single-handedly create the market for cheat codes.

 

[slam]

Not at all - all you need to do is to employ a tech judge/chrono ref who knows what he is doing.

(For example, me.)

There is no such thing as a "cheat code", only preset modes. I've used most guns and boards, so know how they work.

Besides, it doesn't take much to spot a ramping gun on a field where only semi auto's are supposed to be being used - just ask the NPPL.

Now that is absolute rubbish, I have personally seen admittedly back in the days before ramping, guns fitted with not only bps boosts but fps as well. Which were functioned with either a set pattern of button and trigger pulls.

Also while not a cheater code as such what about the gangster modes on Tadeo boards?

Plus if you can spot a proper cheater code with the general checks open to most chrono refs than you really do deserve a medal, in fact you can have one of mine!

 

[Dark Warrior]

Rule 1a. If a ref suspects a marker is firing outside the rules, then that marker is suspended from play and the owner must demonstrate that the marker is set at the preset factory semi mode to prevent any enforcement of penalty.

All guns have a factory default semi mode so if you gun is not set on factory default then you are penalised - I don't remember any board that switches back to default semi after running a "cheat program"

 

[Tony Harrison]

The standard board supplied with Dye guns gives you the ability to adjust fire mode and BPS via trigger pulls. Therefore, it's a preset mode.

What gun and board combo allows you to adjust velocity via buttons and trigger pulls?

I've always been under the impression that an electronic command cannot influence fps.

Perhaps someone like Jack Wood or Steve Monks would like to comment on this point.

 

[Thib]

All guns have a factory default semi mode so if you gun is not set on factory default then you are penalised - I don't remember any board that switches back to default semi after running a "cheat program"

I had an angel having a board shooting full auto until you release, and back to semi-auto after this. Can't remember the board name.
It use to be really easy to cheat before ramping modes when you knew the people you need to or when you understand how markers work....

Saying NPPL run smooth isn't an answer as they do it since ages, local tournament and basic uk tournament aren't as strong ref wise. (I don't say we aren't as good, just we don't have robots to spot ramping)

Even today you can cheat with modes on nationals events, so please don't make it easier ...

If you want to have no ramping and no cheating, just go back to pump guns where cheating in "ramp" or with a modified pump is easy to spot

 

[slam]

Dwell is also controlled by board inputs therefore velocity can be change by the board. Also the gangster modes on the tadeo boards all reset to a preset mode whether that be ramping or semi.

 

[Dark Warrior]

Thib if I remember correctly it was still a custom mode - although the board runs in breakout mode and then reverts to semi when the trigger is released - the actual program that sets this off is still a custom mode.

So let me reiterate every board has a prescribed semi mode that is fixed at production and can be easily checked by an ultimate. As long as the gun is not turned off then the gun mode can be ascertained

 

[Thib]

Thib if I remember correctly it was still a custom mode - although the board runs in breakout mode and then reverts to semi when the trigger is released - the actual program that sets this off is still a custom mode.

So let me reiterate every board has a prescribed semi mode that is fixed at production and can be easily checked by an ultimate. As long as the gun is not turned off then the gun mode can be ascertained

Yes but how to check if the setting is the default semi ?
There isn't a screen telling you on all markers.
And on some, you can cheat just by playing with filters and sensibility.

 

[Spike]

Yes but how to check if the setting is the default semi ?
There isn't a screen telling you on all markers.
And on some, you can cheat just by playing with filters and sensibility.

And even if they did have a screen then you were of the programming ilk you could easily get it to display what you want no matter what mode you're in.

There was talk of a system being deployed for events that gave wireless feedback to a computer of all guns on the field that someone monitoring could immediately see if a gun fired over the specfied BPS rules.

I guess they were looking at installing an RF device into the marker and hijacking the solenoid wires and having someone monitor a screen.

The idea sounded interesting as they even suggested allowing a captian to get a print of shots fired & speeds of their players at the end of a match.

I don't know of any marker manufacturers that were approached though and have not heard much about it recently.

 

[RoryM]

I mentioned years ago about sealed boards from the manufacturer, easkiy done and hologram sticker to help identify tampers.