The Truth................

[Robbo]

In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by Richofen
Nice Goose

It is basically back to the: one shot one kill.

What is the first thing that happens, when you shoot your marker ?

Think about that....

Dont give me the perfect ball and everything else the same... which are all your "open bolt" players excuses.

We are not living in a perfect world with perfect round "balls", but need to be able to give our "balls" the perfect playing conditions




Over and out.... and on my way to party

Richofen,
I got no real idea what point you are trying to make in your post but if you had any basic understanding of science you would know that theoretical science has to have some bedrock on which to base itself and much as it may irk you, a perfect world as you put it, is sometimes used as a starting point from which we try to unravel the real world and all its flaws and variables.
Without this scientific recourse to the 'perfect world' we would not be able to build (theoretically and eventually practically) upon anything and therefore knowledge would stagnate, at least certain aspects would.
Think again Mr Richofen....especially next time before you post
Robbo

 

[Buddha 3]

First thing that happens when I shoot my marker.......Hmmm, let me think.........A ball comes whizzing out? Well, usually anyway.

And as far as giving our balls the perfect playing conditions, just ask any women with a smile on her face..... (sorry, a sudden swelling of my ego caused me to say that....)

 

[Fooey]

the fact remains that whatever marker you fire, all balls at a given velocity will travel the same distance.

You can't argue with newton. : Actioni contrarium semper et aequalem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse aequales et in partes contrarias dirigi.

 

[Richofen]

Re: In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by Robbo


Richofen,
I got no real idea what point you are trying to make in your post but if you had any basic understanding of science you would know that theoretical science has to have some bedrock on which to base itself and much as it may irk you, a perfect world as you put it, is sometimes used as a starting point from which we try to unravel the real world and all its flaws and variables.
Without this scientific recourse to the 'perfect world' we would not be able to build (theoretically and eventually practically) upon anything and therefore knowledge would stagnate, at least certain aspects would.
Think again Mr Richofen....especially next time before you post
Robbo

I see....

Mr. Robbo
You want me to think before posting in the "speak your brain" forums.
Sounds boring..

What I basically ment, (besides "firing" direct at Goose, which I know, also have some "problems" shooting cockers) is when "everything else is the same", taken into consideration :
The fact that the ball dont "move" before you "kick" it, gives you an advantage. Small perhaps, but it is there.
That is my starting "bedrock" and then I will leave the other "rocks" alone and say that closed bolt is the way to go for me

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by Richofen



I see....

Mr. Robbo
You want me to think before posting in the "speak your brain" forums.
Sounds boring..

What I basically ment, (besides "firing" direct at Goose, which I know, also have some "problems" shooting cockers) is when "everything else is the same", taken into consideration :
The fact that the ball dont "move" before you "kick" it, gives you an advantage. Small perhaps, but it is there.
That is my starting "bedrock" and then I will leave the other "rocks" alone and say that closed bolt is the way to go for me

Hey Rich,
the problem a lot of us face in this game is that there are a lot of pseudo-scientists out there in the game of paintball spouting their mouths off.
For people who do not have a science background, they are left at the mercy of some of these jerks.
Now the reason they indulge in this bull**** is to elevate their perceived status in the game by seemingly knowing what they are talking about, for those who cannot distinguish between what is scientifically correct or false, this bull****ter finds fertile ground in which to nurture the idea he is some sort of paintball guru.
He is not, he's a sham.
And thus we arrive at my point, the difference between a closed bolt and open bolt system with regard to its effect on trajectory and or range, is like pissing in the ocean.
A convenient metaphor I have already used in this thread but most certainly apt.
You must remember that the chronograph sets the velocity and this is obviously done (In the chain of events of a paintball being fired) after any effect the bolt has had, and therefore renders that effect academic, think about it !!!!!!!!!
Now if you wanna go round telling us all that a 'piss in the ocean' is significant, then that's fine, that's your point of view and you are entitled to it but at least quantify that significance to everybody before you do.
Robbo

 

[Richofen]

I dont want to go into a debate/argument with you.
Dont have the time for it and my english arent that good either...

But if you want to use the metaphor "piss in the ocean" it is okay with me If its a small ocean.
The "game" does seem to have been set aside for the
equipment.

The only thing I really wanted to do with my reply to this thread was "teasing" Goose...

Now I will swim away....

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Richofen
I dont want to go into a debate/argument with you.
Dont have the time for it and my english arent that good either...

But if you want to use the metaphor "piss in the ocean" it is okay with me If its a small ocean.
The "game" does seem to have been set aside for the
equipment.

The only thing I really wanted to do with my reply to this thread was "teasing" Goose...

Now I will swim away....

Hey Rich,
the last thing I want you to do is swim away, after all, if you hadn't posted anything then I doubt this subject would have reared its head and therefore other people would still be in the dark, so for that, I am grateful.
I wasn't for one second suggesting you were one of these pseudo-scientists, more that you were a victim , like many others, to their bull****.
I have on many occasions, fell prey to them but in the end I learnt to try and find things out for myself, independant of any so-called guru.
That way, I have only myself to blame if I get things wrong !
And I take it from your e-mail address, that you are Danish, in that case, your English is remarkably good.
As for conceding that the ocean could be reclassified as 'small', I will concede that but only so as to settle the affair
Laters Rich
Robbo

 

[gunnerson]

Re: Re: Re: In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by Robbo


Hey Rich,
the problem a lot of us face in this game is that there are a lot of pseudo-scientists out there in the game of paintball spouting their mouths off.
For people who do not have a science background, they are left at the mercy of some of these jerks.
Now the reason they indulge in this bull**** is to elevate their perceived status in the game by seemingly knowing what they are talking about, for those who cannot distinguish between what is scientifically correct or false, this bull****ter finds fertile ground in which to nurture the idea he is some sort of paintball guru.
He is not, he's a sham.
And thus we arrive at my point, the difference between a closed bolt and open bolt system with regard to its effect on trajectory and or range, is like pissing in the ocean.
A convenient metaphor I have already used in this thread but most certainly apt.
You must remember that the chronograph sets the velocity and this is obviously done (In the chain of events of a paintball being fired) after any effect the bolt has had, and therefore renders that effect academic, think about it !!!!!!!!!
Now if you wanna go round telling us all that a 'piss in the ocean' is significant, then that's fine, that's your point of view and you are entitled to it but at least quantify that significance to everybody before you do.
Robbo

Hehe. Thank god for this board. To think of all the bull**** I would have believed had it not been for this place. Now, I can tell my friends to **** off instead of listening. Anyways, like I said, I shut my yap 'bout things I don't know about.

 

[Richofen]

Re: Re: Re: Re: In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by gunnerson


Hehe. Thank god for this board. To think of all the bull**** I would have believed had it not been for this place. Now, I can tell my friends to **** off instead of listening. Anyways, like I said, I shut my yap 'bout things I don't know about.

Is a "closed bolt" marker better than an "open bolt" marker ?

Certainly. But that may also depend on your definition of "better".
Mainly because firing the gun is used only to launch the ball and the blast of air from the valve does not have to be devided to cycle the action too. "Better" is defined by more consistent and more efficient.
Most firearms fire from the "closed bolt".
There are only a couple of sub-machine guns that I know of that fire from the open bolt position.
Most of the electronic markers these days fire from the open bolt
but they don't suffer the same limitations as a blow-back operated gun because the operation of the ram/bolt is not powered by the same blast of air.



Does this make everybody happy ?
Or are we going to take it one more time....This debate has been going on for years

 

[Paul (fusionUK)]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: In a perfect world bla bla bla

Originally posted by Richofen




Is a "closed bolt" marker better than an "open bolt" marker ?

Certainly. But that may also depend on your definition of "better".
Mainly because firing the gun is used only to launch the ball and the blast of air from the valve does not have to be devided to cycle the action too. "Better" is defined by more consistent and more efficient.

Maybe more efficient but not more consistant!